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StillenZ 01-10-2010 05:54 PM

LOL... thanks for the pic... it looked a lot like that.. only red

Can't wait to hear more on this S/C

StillenZ 01-10-2010 05:54 PM

LOL... thanks for the pic... it looked a lot like that.. only red

Can't wait to hear more on this S/C

NewYorkJon34 01-10-2010 08:22 PM

Kyle, will there be an all inclusive kit that has everything I'll need, plus the warranty. Or will it come with everything, except the tune?

Josh@STILLEN 01-10-2010 08:25 PM

Either.. there will be two pre-packaged kits including a tune. One CARB legal kit, another not street legal competition kit with higher boost, and one with everything you need to build and tune yourself, for whatever your HP goals..

NewYorkJon34 01-10-2010 08:57 PM

Josh, maybe you can tell me what kit would be best, I don't take my car to the track, I want a real reliable kit & I'm looking for about 450-500hp/350tq (estamite), and that's priced reasonably.

LiquidZ 01-10-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NewYorkJon34 (Post 358657)
Josh, maybe you can tell me what kit would be best, I don't take my car to the track, I want a real reliable kit & I'm looking for about 450-500hp/350tq (estamite), and that's priced reasonably.

Probably not the CARB legal kit.

Josh@STILLEN 01-10-2010 09:05 PM

As we get closer to release, we'll have some additional information that will aid in your determination for the kit you're looking for.

You can keep track of the STILLEN blog for updates: 370Z / G37 Supercharger System Progress: R&D : STILLEN

And I'm sure information will be posted on the forums as well..

Deslin 01-12-2010 06:39 AM

Will the supercharger have self contained oil cooling?

I ask this, because I had a Vortech long ago and I had to tap the oil pan and run a line to the supercharger. :driving:

Kyle@STILLEN 01-12-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Deslin (Post 359396)
Will the supercharger have self contained oil cooling?

I ask this, because I had a Vortech long ago and I had to tap the oil pan and run a line to the supercharger. :driving:

Yes, we are using one of the new Vortech blowers with the self-contained oiling system.

LiquidZ 01-12-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 359520)
Yes, we are using one of the new Vortech blowers with the self-contained oiling system.

Good to hear. Sounds like a V-3.

zuperman 370 01-13-2010 09:45 AM

hey im highly considering ur supercharge it sounds amazing a couple of concerns i have thought are has this supercharger been tested in hight temperature, because im from the middle east and as u knw it could get reaaly hot there seeing that the 370z allready has oil coller problems, and will it affect if u stop in traffic in hight temperaturs, sry 4 these questions but im kinda new with these sort of things :P and another concern of mine is can i use my car for daily driving without facing any problems?

Kyle@STILLEN 01-13-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by zuperman 370 (Post 360214)
hey im highly considering ur supercharge it sounds amazing a couple of concerns i have thought are has this supercharger been tested in hight temperature, because im from the middle east and as u knw it could get reaaly hot there seeing that the 370z allready has oil coller problems, and will it affect if u stop in traffic in hight temperaturs, sry 4 these questions but im kinda new with these sort of things :P and another concern of mine is can i use my car for daily driving without facing any problems?

All great questions!

We have not yet finalized the testing of the supercharger but I can assure you that high temperature climate testing is on the testing list. As well as, high altitude, low altitude, cold climate, wet weather, and we also really want to get it to the race track and watch the oil temps on the track.

JB-370z 01-13-2010 11:02 AM

You got more going for you than GTM at this point! I think yall really have made your focus on sc rather than turbo compared to GTM.

jmlenz 01-13-2010 04:56 PM

^^^ none of this matters until we see price points and dyno graphs from GTM and Stillen

RCZ 01-13-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 360511)
^^^ none of this matters until we see price points and dyno graphs from GTM and Stillen


Actually it does matter, because dynos and prices are not everything.

LiquidZ 01-13-2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 360516)
Actually it does matter, because dynos and prices are not everything.

:tup:

Its nice knowing you can post a question in the thread and have a response in a reasonable amount of time.

jmlenz 01-13-2010 05:52 PM

True, there are actually dozens of variables to consider, power delivery and price are just the main things, for me at least.

My point is that all this speculation, who's farther ahead in R&D, who's first to release, etc. is pointless until both GTM and Stillen release all the details themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 360516)
Actually it does matter, because dynos and prices are not everything.


lemansz20 01-14-2010 10:10 PM

SOOOOOO whats going on with stillens supercharger, i mean I know it takes a while for R&D, but I think its about that time where we should see what we should be saving up for in my opinion. Maybe some numbers? Pics of SOMETHING?

LiquidZ 01-14-2010 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lemansz20 (Post 361006)
SOOOOOO whats going on with stillens supercharger, i mean I know it takes a while for R&D, but I think its about that time where we should see what we should be saving up for in my opinion. Maybe some numbers? Pics of SOMETHING?

patience young grasshopper

BLUESLATE 01-15-2010 02:55 AM

This is got to be one of the most exciting thread on the370.com. Keep up the good work, Stillen, and please update us with more information as they come along. :tup:

Subscribed!

StillenZ 01-15-2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blueslate (Post 361255)
this is got to be one of the most exciting thread on the370.com. Keep up the good work, stillen, and please update us with more information as they come along. :tup:

agreed!

jmlenz 01-15-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lemansz20 (Post 361006)
SOOOOOO whats going on with stillens supercharger, i mean I know it takes a while for R&D, but I think its about that time where we should see what we should be saving up for in my opinion. Maybe some numbers? Pics of SOMETHING?

There are pics of the new manifold Stillen will be using over the "Stillen estimates" thread. Take a look over there eager beavers...

1slow370 01-15-2010 11:43 PM

just wanted to point something out- when most of us talk about power delivery we do not mean max power. supras have great max power but the delivery sucks. sooo... just something to think about

Josh@STILLEN 01-16-2010 10:55 PM

Posted some additional information regarding the STILLEN Supercharger, intake manifold, and specifically regarding the intercooler setup chosen, along with reasons why.

370Z / G37 Supercharger System Progress: Intake Manifold & Intercooler : STILLEN

Next up is some additional features of the intake manifold itself.. should be up later tonight..






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LiquidZ 01-16-2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 363871)
Posted some additional information regarding the STILLEN Supercharger, intake manifold, and specifically regarding the intercooler setup chosen, along with reasons why.

370Z / G37 Supercharger System Progress: Intake Manifold & Intercooler : STILLEN

Next up is some additional features of the intake manifold itself.. should be up later tonight..

Excellent write up. I look forward to seeing HP ratings of the intercooler when they become available.

Thanks again Stillen!

BLUESLATE 01-16-2010 11:24 PM

Just read the posting. I'm very interested to see how the air-to-water intercooler perform with your kit. Keep up the good work!

Josh@STILLEN 01-16-2010 11:53 PM

As promised.. here's some additional information and rendered CAD designs of the intake manifold in action.. along with some of the benefits..

370Z / G37 Supercharger System Progress: Intake Manifold Detailed : STILLEN



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kdoske 01-17-2010 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 363958)
As promised.. here's some additional information and rendered CAD designs of the intake manifold in action.. along with some of the benefits..

370Z / G37 Supercharger System Progress: Intake Manifold Detailed : STILLEN



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Thats awesome!

NewYorkJon34 01-17-2010 02:51 AM

So will the stock compression be alright with the stillen S/C? I read it is safer for F/I, but is it a thing I should add to the prep list?

BLUESLATE 01-17-2010 03:40 AM

VHR motors have been able to withstand quite a bit of power with FI, but adding supporting mods such as upgraded radiator, engine/tranny/diff coolers, clutches and etc won't hurt! :tup:

2fast4thelaw 01-17-2010 02:38 PM

I am already pretty much conviced that Stillen's supercharger system will be the way to go. At first I thought they were crazy when they first talked about the replacing the intake manifold. Now it makes perfect sense and the intake and intercooler design really sounds like the best solution I have seen yet. My question is why Stillen chose the Vortech compressor over the Rotrex compressor. IMO the Rotrex compressor is better engineered than the later and would appear to hold up better over time and mileage just due to the fact it has no gears to wear and create friction and noise.

LiquidZ 01-17-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 2fast4thelaw (Post 364340)
I am already pretty much conviced that Stillen's supercharger system will be the way to go. At first I thought they were crazy when they first talked about the replacing the intake manifold. Now it makes perfect sense and the intake and intercooler design really sounds like the best solution I have seen yet. My question is why Stillen chose the Vortech compressor over the Rotrex compressor. IMO the Rotrex compressor is better engineered than the later and would appear to hold up better over time and mileage just due to the fact it has no gears to wear and create friction and noise.

I'm glad they chose Vortech. Vortech has been around for a long time and has been known to pump out serious power. When HKS came to the market with their supercharger, they were using a Rotrex unit. They decided to reengineer their own supercharger citing reliability issues.

Lastly, Vortech is an American company who Stillen has worked with over the years. Made in the USA was a big factor for Stillen and this kit.

Snakes709 01-17-2010 03:02 PM

Question my dealership asked me when i told them about this. Since dealerships sell Stillen parts, will they eventually sell the supercharger kit.

fstrnldr 01-17-2010 04:08 PM

Vortech's pieces do not seem to have the best reliability by a long shot. There are countless threads on them having bearing problems. Seems like they work well on the larger displacement domestic engines because they generally don't have as high of a rev limit. The import or smaller displacement engines are usually built to rev, and the vortech units don't seem to like this. The good news is that the new units are self contained oiling systems, so if they do grenade at least its not dumping bearing shrapnel back into your oil pan like the older units did. Gives you at least a chance of your engine surviving when it goes out. The other thing with the Vortech unit is the noise, these things are always so damn loud compared to the Rotrex. I know that not an issue for everyone, but for me i just could not deal. I can just imagine the poor drive through working having to ask you to turn off your airplanes turbine engine so they can take your order. lol

As far as the air/water vs air/air solutions, Stillen does have some valid points, however they have left out some critical data. How large is the water system? You have to have a good amount of water (weight) on board to keep the temps down if you are running the smaller cooler like they say they are. If not the water will heat soak just like too small of an air/air IC setup will. The Toyota Celica Alltrac (GT4) had some of these issues on the factory air/water IC set ups.

Either way i'm very curious to see the end results of the this kit. I know Stillen Z/G SC kit doesn't get much praise from the 350Z crowd for the lack of power it makes. Hopefully this one does better for them!

travisjb 01-17-2010 06:08 PM

On your point about the 350z Stillen S/C, I've heard similar complaints that it was underpowered... This sounds to be a substantially different design though, so I think we should reserve judgment until they get a test car preped and do some dyno and 1/4 mile tests

LiquidZ 01-17-2010 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travisjb (Post 364558)
On your point about the 350z Stillen S/C, I've heard similar complaints that it was underpowered... This sounds to be a substantially different design though, so I think we should reserve judgment until they get a test car preped and do some dyno and 1/4 mile tests

This time around, it will be a completely different animal. The old Eaton was easily maxed out.

For this unit, it sounds like they are using a V-3 with a custom trim to hopefully regain some of that low end torque. Couple this with the longer runners in the intake manifold, it should prove to be a very good kit.

... of course, we need still need to see it on a car and running.

fstrnldr 01-17-2010 07:35 PM

obviously this kit is vastly different than that for the previous generation. I just hope they learned a good lesson on that. I mean its not like anyone forced them to use that particular supercharger, that was the choice they made. All i am saying is i hope whoever sized this supercharger did a better job and gave them room to make some power. Obviously its all guesses until dyno graphs get posted.

LiquidZ 01-17-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fstrnldr (Post 364629)
obviously this kit is vastly different than that for the previous generation. I just hope they learned a good lesson on that. I mean its not like anyone forced them to use that particular supercharger, that was the choice they made. All i am saying is i hope whoever sized this supercharger did a better job and gave them room to make some power. Obviously its all guesses until dyno graphs get posted.

Yeah. With this kit, I'm more concerned about the intercooler horsepower rating. Stillen has claimed that they are using an internally lubricated unit and according to Vortech, they only have one blower that is internally lubricated... the V-3. I have no doubt that this blower will be more than capable of producing some serious power, just whether or not custom intercooler work will be required for future expansion.

2fast4thelaw 01-18-2010 10:42 AM

I am more concered with the noise the Vortech will make. I have never been around one but I have heard they are loud!

NewYorkJon34 01-18-2010 11:04 AM

I've been in a 350Z with a vortech S/C, and I could barely hear the noise over the exhaust/stereo. I could tell you though, that car is the fastest car I have ever been in, and I've been in a some quick cars, lol. The guy said it had about 400whp, but seemed like a whole lot more and it just keep pulling hard all the way to redline. So without a doubt, the stillen Supercharged 370Z will be an absolute beast.


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