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knuckles899 04-01-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3743567)
I will be on COMP right away to get this figured out. I believe these are pressed in, so one can't simply pull hard when disconnecting the grease hose from the zerk. Common practice is to push the grease gun (hose end) fitting to one side until it pops off, instead of a straight pull.

I understand that this may have fallen out at some point during operation, which is not right.

I will make a suggestion to have these threaded in as well.


Thank you Sasha for the fast reply, I am curious to hear Comp's response on the cause and what they would like to do. One of my concerns with the grease fitting falling out is that the grease when heated in the turbo liquefies and is supposed to cool/lubricate the turbo from what has been described to me about these oil-less turbo's. Without the fitting there I can only assume that the grease has now leaked out basically running the turbo somewhat dry or just not efficiently lubricated/cooled by the grease anymore possibly causing this turbo to prematurely to wear.

Rusty 04-01-2018 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3743536)
The threads would be below the camfer.

Or, as per Rusty, it was pressed in. I kind of doubt this as most grease systems are fairly high pressure, but I'm no expert.

I've worked on a lot of equipment that had pressed in zerk fittings. Had to replace a bunch of them too. Grease systems are not high pressure. Once you remove the gun. The pressure goes away. When greasing. Once you get the first fill of grease in. After that, you only need two to three pumps of new grease into the bearing. Any more then that. You CAN over grease the bearing and damage it. Some bearing housings will have a plug 180 degrees away from the zerk fitting. On these. You remove the plug and grease until you see some grease start to come out of the plug hole. When you do, stop greasing and install the plug.

Boosted Performance 04-01-2018 05:12 PM

From COMP:

He can reinstall the fitting we can send one out tomorrow very easy install . Or if the customer doesn't feel confident we will pay for shipping both ways .

The stem is indwwd threaded in to the bearing housing.

This is what makes COMP the company of choice for me. It is Easter Sunday, and issues are getting resolved, and customers are being taken care of.

Rusty 04-01-2018 07:56 PM

The next time OP greases the turbo. Only do 3 pumps or less to grease. Don't try and force the grease in. When the handle starts to get hard to pump, STOP! If You try and force it. You are now using hydraulics, and you WILL do damage. You can force the zerk fitting out, and damage the bearing seals.

knuckles899 04-01-2018 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3743653)
From COMP:

He can reinstall the fitting we can send one out tomorrow very easy install . Or if the customer doesn't feel confident we will pay for shipping both ways .

The stem is indwwd threaded in to the bearing housing.

This is what makes COMP the company of choice for me. It is Easter Sunday, and issues are getting resolved, and customers are being taken care of.

I can certainly put the new one in myself, but I still would be a little concerned about the overall health of the turbo since its had 700 plus miles put on it with no idea when it fell off. Was it not torqued down properly in the first place? what is the torque spec they recommend?, are these prone to falling out and should be checked every trip? Is there a high temp loctite that should be used? Should the turbo be sent to Comp for inspection?

I just want to make sure every little thing gets smoothed out with the Comp turbo's. So far its been great but I can only imagine that if this were to fall out and someone not catch it in time that it could severely damage the turbo and possibly someones engine when it lets go. I would be curious on Comp's response on how bad not having this fitting in the turbo would be since the grease leaks out without it.

Thanks for checking in with them Sasha:tup:

knuckles899 04-01-2018 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3743721)
The next time OP greases the turbo. Only do 3 pumps or less to grease. Don't try and force the grease in. When the handle starts to get hard to pump, STOP! If You try and force it. You are now using hydraulics, and you WILL do damage. You can force the zerk fitting out, and damage the bearing seals.


Just to clarify for the thread so this doesn't become a "installation error or greasing error or user error thing " I have not even opened the grease, grease gun or grease gun hose. I have not greased this turbo yet and the zerk fitting just fell out at some point in time just driving the car.

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Rusty 04-01-2018 08:36 PM

I'm just giving you a heads up on greasing. :D

A press fit zerk fitting is not screwed into place. As there are no threads. So there are no torque specs. You have to either press them in, or beat them in. I have used a socket, extension and a hammer to tap them in place.

Problem you may have is a slightly bigger hole then what is called for. Or the zerk was undersized. One is the reason why the zerk fell out.

Boosted Performance 04-01-2018 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3743734)
I'm just giving you a heads up on greasing. :D

A press fit zerk fitting is not screwed into place. As there are no threads. So there are no torque specs. You have to either press them in, or beat them in. I have used a socket, extension and a hammer to tap them in place.

Problem you may have is a slightly bigger hole then what is called for. Or the zerk was undersized. One is the reason why the zerk fell out.

The zerk is threaded into the stem, and the stem is threaded into the center section. Nothing is pressed in.

OP, I will check with COMP on the torque spec, and other things mentioned.

Rusty 04-01-2018 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3743567)
I will be on COMP right away to get this figured out. I believe these are pressed in, so one can't simply pull hard when disconnecting the grease hose from the zerk. Common practice is to push the grease gun (hose end) fitting to one side until it pops off, instead of a straight pull.

I understand that this may have fallen out at some point during operation, which is not right.

I will make a suggestion to have these threaded in as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3743767)
The zerk is threaded into the stem, and the stem is threaded into the center section. Nothing is pressed in.

OP, I will check with COMP on the torque spec, and other things mentioned.

I was going by on what you had said earlier. About them being pressed in. And no threads in the hole.

Boosted Performance 04-01-2018 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3743769)
I was going by on what you had said earlier. About them being pressed in. And no threads in the hole.


Yup... I assumed wrong :) First time this year that I have been wrong...had to happen eventually.

Rusty 04-01-2018 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3743783)
Yup... I assumed wrong :) First time this year that I have been wrong...had to happen eventually.

:icon17: You're excused.

knuckles899 04-02-2018 12:32 AM

Would anyone else be concerned that their turbo wouldn't be sufficiently lubricated if this happened to them or am I crazy for thinking this, wouldn't it be equivalent or close to running a oiled turbo without the oil lines connected?

Rusty 04-02-2018 03:20 AM

Long as the bearing got grease, it's happy. Unlike an oiled system. Once you shut off the supply of oil. It's dead. I can't really tell in your pictures if there is grease or not in the holes. Take the end of a zip-tie and stick it in the hole, twist it around to see how much grease is in there.

JIN2012 04-17-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3686110)
Precision was absolutely brutal when it came to this sort of stuff. I covered installation damages from my own pocket for customers on Precision turbos.

No matter what, they always say: "It's oil contamination, not our fault". I was getting fed up with them.

COMP has the same business and customer service values as Boosted Performance. For that reason, I will only offer COMP turbos with these kits, whether it is JB, BB, or oil-less turbos.

Could someone request a Garrett turbo with the kit?

lj909 04-17-2018 12:58 PM

Well, as long as we're asking. What about a Borg Warner efr?


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