PCV Delete, Catch Cans, and Unmetered Air

ChaseZ · 12-26-2016, 09:25 PM

What setup are you guys running?

There are a few ways to do it, and pros and cons to most of them. I don't want unmetered air going in, but don't want the engine bay to look like the tar pits so something's got to be done. Had been planning on a catch can basic set up but there are better ways like a Moroso remote breather or Mighty Mouse set up.

So curious to learn about others setups and see what works best on the VQ

Wonka2581 · 12-26-2016, 09:46 PM

Sub'd

ChaseZ · 12-26-2016, 11:19 PM

Moroso 85470

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-85470

ChaseZ · 12-26-2016, 11:26 PM

Mighty Mouse Catch Can

mmsolutions

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The RACE can is an open vent catching whatever liquids come from the crankcase.
It is completely passive, not connected to your incoming air supply at all, and PCV is completely deleted. That means zero blow-by fumes consumed by your engine, but that also means the fumes will go to your engine bay and sometimes, the cabin. *sensitive noses beware*

The DRAFT can hooks up two ways:
1. This is spliced directly in-line of the stock PCV system between the intake manifold and stock pcv return.
This catches oil normally consumed by the PCV (dirty side) and gives some crankcase pressure relief. Because it relies on OEM PCV regulation; HP capacity is limited to 'near stock'.
2. For those that want to keep the breather closed when possible, but do not want to or can not hook up to the intake manifold;
the PCV system is completely deleted, and this can is connected only between the engine and your main air filter. This is high flow and can handle a lot of HP but also recirculates more of the fumes directly to your engine as part of total air supply. The amount of DRAFT can be influenced by clean side fitting selection and vac/restriction generated by your air filter.

The PCV can is the max effort bells and whistles fix for people who want a PCV system and high HP.
Clean air still comes into the crankcase to filter out particles/fumes/moisture during regular driving and is constantly scavenged back out by intake manifold vac (just like stock).
We block boost from entering the can / engine, we catch the oil before it is consumed, we relieve any crankcase pressure created from high HP, and we recirculate very little of these fumes during full load, so the engine can make power with as much clean fresh air as possible. Because of the special configuration; we are no longer 'restricted' by the factory system, and can connect to the crankcase with full-flow or multiple fittings to accommodate high hp.

ChaseZ · 12-26-2016, 11:34 PM

Cusco Catch Can universal kit

ChaseZ · 12-26-2016, 11:36 PM

Then there's always this

phunk · 12-27-2016, 12:11 AM

I run the valvecover check valves to the intake manifold. I run the valvecover open vents to the intake tubes (suction only side). I cant even count how many cars I did this way and never had a problem! If its a big boost car, I have over-sized the lines and enlarged the valvecover ports before.

Wonka2581 · 12-27-2016, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk

I run the valvecover check valves to the intake manifold. I run the valvecover open vents to the intake tubes (suction only side). I cant even count how many cars I did this way and never had a problem! If its a big boost car, I have over-sized the lines and enlarged the valvecover ports before.

Huh? Sorry trying to understand.. I really don't know much about catch cans.

phunk · 12-27-2016, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581

Huh? Sorry trying to understand.. I really don't know much about catch cans.

Hmm I am not sure what other details I could include my description. But no knowledge of catch cans is required since what I am describing lacks the use of them at all.

Wonka2581 · 12-27-2016, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Hmm I am not sure what other details I could include my description. But no knowledge of catch cans is required since what I am describing lacks the use of them at all.

lol I hear ya, I'll be doing some researching on them. Thanks

ChaseZ · 12-27-2016, 08:56 AM

VP Scavenger Kit

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpe-11189/overview/

I include this one largely for conversation sake. I'm not considering it but it is an interesting idea, if it actually works. Then again if it did work would there not be the potential to coat your cats in an oily mess? Clearly you could put it further downstream but the further away the less change it would actually scavenge anything and produce any vacuum whatsoever.

This is me thinking aloud anyways.

future370zzz · 12-27-2016, 11:08 AM

I'm not running any of this stuff. Is that bad?

phunk · 12-28-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by future370zzz

I'm not running any of this stuff. Is that bad?

A factory style PCV system allows oil vapor into the intake tract. An oil film will build up inside the intake tubing and intake manifold. This means you will consume a minuscule amount of oil through combustion, which according to the theory, will reduce the fuel octane.

That said, unless your engine is in terrible shape, the consumption is likely much too low to cause any perceivable increase in knock tendency. A looser fully built engine with tons of boost can have increased piston ring blow-by, increasing the flow through the PCV system. This is when I might start to consider a catch can, but I still would probably personally prefer to just go open on the ventilation to keep the engine bay less cluttered.

People with catch cans will observe what appears to be a significant amount of oil collected in their cans. I say if you put that oil back into vapor form and disperse it evenly through all the air the engine has ingested in that time, you would find it be nothing. There is also a question of how much of that oil collected is a direct result of eliminating the crankcase vacuum which many believe helps the rings seal, reducing crankcase vapors. If that's the case, it can make the catchcan a sort of self ful*filling* prophesy (see my pun there).

None of my belief is backed by scientific study. Just a matter of having always left it alone yet always having great success with my builds.

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Originally Posted by PongSanity

I use the Admin Tuning dual catch can/coolant reservoir. It's fully vented from the four ports into the atmosphere.

Great looking bay. Only thing i would change is one of the first mods I did to my 370z... rerouting the starter cable through the cowl instead of how the factory draped it over the timing chain covers.

PongSanity · 12-29-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Great looking bay. Only thing i would change is one of the first mods I did to my 370z... rerouting the starter cable through the cowl instead of how the factory draped it over the timing chain covers.

AGREED. that's one DIY wire tuck I won't mind tackling.

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Kris9884 · 12-30-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Great looking bay. Only thing i would change is one of the first mods I did to my 370z... rerouting the starter cable through the cowl instead of how the factory draped it over the timing chain covers.

Interesting idea, I'll have to look at this.

12-26-2016, 09:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94683	PCV Delete, Catch Cans, and Unmetered Air What setup are you guys running? There are a few ways to do it, and pros and cons to most of them. I don't want unmetered air going in, but don't want the engine bay to look like the tar pits so something's got to be done. Had been planning on a catch can basic set up but there are better ways like a Moroso remote breather or Mighty Mouse set up. So curious to learn about others setups and see what works best on the VQ

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12-26-2016, 11:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94683	Then there's always this onzedge likes this.

12-27-2016, 12:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,669 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974724	I run the valvecover check valves to the intake manifold. I run the valvecover open vents to the intake tubes (suction only side). I cant even count how many cars I did this way and never had a problem! If its a big boost car, I have over-sized the lines and enlarged the valvecover ports before. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

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future370zzz Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 555 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	I'm not running any of this stuff. Is that bad? __________________

12-26-2016, 11:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94683	Moroso 85470 https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-85470

12-26-2016, 11:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94683	Cusco Catch Can universal kit

12-27-2016, 08:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94683	VP Scavenger Kit https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpe-11189/overview/ I include this one largely for conversation sake. I'm not considering it but it is an interesting idea, if it actually works. Then again if it did work would there not be the potential to coat your cats in an oily mess? Clearly you could put it further downstream but the further away the less change it would actually scavenge anything and produce any vacuum whatsoever. This is me thinking aloud anyways.

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