Topgunz - air to air upgrade

mikey1600 · 04-24-2018, 04:27 AM

TL;DR - made 440rwhp on 93 US fuel equivalent with MAF's maxed out (UpRev).

So not bad news from me guys, finally got my limp mode thing sorted out, it was infact the flywheel as suspected, so if it ever happens to anyone else, car would only rev to like 3k, ran like a complete dog, timing was stuck on 25 degrees.

Now the good news, finally got word my car is starting to be tuned, almost finished so should get it back this week (public holiday tomorrow here in Australia for ANZAC day so hopefully Thurs/Fri). Car was making around 330rwkw (about 440rwhp) on 98 RON Pump fuel, about equiv to your 93 when the MAF's maxed out, was previously UpRev tuned so had to stick with the same guys to try work out what the limp mode was. Don't have a dyno sheet yet, will try get one when I pick it up.

I'll be going ahead with the UpRev GT Maf's and switching to E85 + final tune when they arrive. Will keep everyone posted in the coming weeks, this gives everyone else the other option as I'm not sure if anyone else is still running UpRev with this kit + other mods.

ByThaBay · 04-24-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

TL;DR - made 440rwhp on 93 US fuel equivalent with MAF's maxed out (UpRev).

So not bad news from me guys, finally got my limp mode thing sorted out, it was infact the flywheel as suspected, so if it ever happens to anyone else, car would only rev to like 3k, ran like a complete dog, timing was stuck on 25 degrees.

Now the good news, finally got word my car is starting to be tuned, almost finished so should get it back this week (public holiday tomorrow here in Australia for ANZAC day so hopefully Thurs/Fri). Car was making around 330rwkw (about 440rwhp) on 98 RON Pump fuel, about equiv to your 93 when the MAF's maxed out, was previously UpRev tuned so had to stick with the same guys to try work out what the limp mode was. Don't have a dyno sheet yet, will try get one when I pick it up.

I'll be going ahead with the UpRev GT Maf's and switching to E85 + final tune when they arrive. Will keep everyone posted in the coming weeks, this gives everyone else the other option as I'm not sure if anyone else is still running UpRev with this kit + other mods.

Why not just run ecutek?

mikey1600 · 04-25-2018, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ByThaBay

Why not just run ecutek?

See previous posts in the thread, last thing I'm wanting to do is try switch to a different tuning software/tuner when the cars been in limp mode for so long and hadn't been tuned at all with all the new changes, SC upgrade, injectors, pump, a2a kit, return fuel system etc..

turtle64b · 04-25-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

See previous posts in the thread, last thing I'm wanting to do is try switch to a different tuning software/tuner when the cars been in limp mode for so long and hadn't been tuned at all with all the new changes, SC upgrade, injectors, pump, a2a kit, return fuel system etc..

I don't think any of the boosted guys are running UpRev? I ran UpRev for my NA tune, but all fingers pointed to transitioning to Ecutek when I transitioned to forced induction. Given the level of experience of the guys tuning our cars (Seb and Eugene), you could easily find a very solid, relatively drive-able starting tune with Ecutek, with the second revision most likely being daily drive-able. The UpRev MAFs won't function with Ecutek, to my knowledge.

Good luck with everything man!

jwick · 04-25-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by turtle64b

I don't think any of the boosted guys are running UpRev? I ran UpRev for my NA tune, but all fingers pointed to transitioning to Ecutek when I transitioned to forced induction. Given the level of experience of the guys tuning our cars (Seb and Eugene), you could easily find a very solid, relatively drive-able starting tune with Ecutek, with the second revision most likely being daily drive-able. The UpRev MAFs won't function with Ecutek, to my knowledge.

Good luck with everything man!

Not a true statement. There are a lot of guys, myself included, boosted running UpRev. I haven’t updated my tune but from what I hear the updated simplified timing for UpRev is pretty legit. There’s still a lot of benefit from going to Ecutek but not as much as it used to be if you already have UpRev.

TopgunZ · 04-26-2018, 08:49 AM

The mafs get maxed out by a supercharger when making X whp sooner than a turbo setup since the SC needs to blow more air to make equal HP of a turbo.

So the big single turbo is going to allow you to go to 500whp on stock mafs where the SC unit will max them out before that.

jwick · 04-26-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

The mafs get maxed out by a supercharger when making X whp sooner than a turbo setup since the SC needs to blow more air to make equal HP of a turbo.

So the big single turbo is going to allow you to go to 500whp on stock mafs where the SC unit will max them out before that.

Ever considered providing taller stand offs on the MAF with your kit. That’ll allow you to cheat and get a little more power out of the stock MAFs.

turtle64b · 04-27-2018, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick

Not a true statement. There are a lot of guys, myself included, boosted running UpRev. I haven’t updated my tune but from what I hear the updated simplified timing for UpRev is pretty legit. There’s still a lot of benefit from going to Ecutek but not as much as it used to be if you already have UpRev.

I stand corrected, I'm sorry about that!

TopgunZ · 04-27-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick

Ever considered providing taller stand offs on the MAF with your kit. That’ll allow you to cheat and get a little more power out of the stock MAFs.

Yes, my pipes have the tall maf flanges in them.

G3RSTY7 · 05-04-2018, 01:48 AM

Can anyone explain the crash bar? It has all these wires and connections on it—is it’s purpose to not only absorb impact but somehow house the sensors for airbags hence the plug ins? I saw somebody on this thread had someone cut into their oem to fit the intercooler and add rigidity, others go FI crashbar. I thought the guy i was working with on a 370z last week had older? Different brackets and still used his oem. I’m trying to keep safety features best i can.

brucelidat · 05-04-2018, 02:07 AM

How are you doing on kits and parts? Parts have been trickling in to Seb. Can't wait for everything to be ready and get it all installed and tuned.

TopgunZ · 05-04-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

How are you doing on kits and parts? Parts have been trickling in to Seb. Can't wait for everything to be ready and get it all installed and tuned.

Sebs should have the entire supercharger kit at this point. PM me if he is missing something.

bcfromfl · 05-04-2018, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by G3RSTY7

Can anyone explain the crash bar? It has all these wires and connections on it—is it’s purpose to not only absorb impact but somehow house the sensors for airbags hence the plug ins? I saw somebody on this thread had someone cut into their oem to fit the intercooler and add rigidity, others go FI crashbar. I thought the guy i was working with on a 370z last week had older? Different brackets and still used his oem. I’m trying to keep safety features best i can.

I, too, would appreciate some input on this. Where/how to make the cuts and re-weld, etc.

TopgunZ · 05-04-2018, 01:31 PM

Maybe the G has some extra safety features like forward crash detection or something. I have never heard of wired sensors in the crash bar on a Z.

jwick · 05-04-2018, 10:53 PM

I thought the sensor in the crash bar was the temperature sensor.

04-26-2018, 08:49 AM	#2361 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6834	The mafs get maxed out by a supercharger when making X whp sooner than a turbo setup since the SC needs to blow more air to make equal HP of a turbo. So the big single turbo is going to allow you to go to 500whp on stock mafs where the SC unit will max them out before that. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

05-04-2018, 02:07 AM	#2366 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	How are you doing on kits and parts? Parts have been trickling in to Seb. Can't wait for everything to be ready and get it all installed and tuned. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

05-04-2018, 01:31 PM	#2369 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6834	Maybe the G has some extra safety features like forward crash detection or something. I have never heard of wired sensors in the crash bar on a Z. wideglideleon likes this. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

05-04-2018, 10:53 PM	#2370 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465056	I thought the sensor in the crash bar was the temperature sensor. __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

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04-24-2018, 04:27 AM	#2356 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 16	TL;DR - made 440rwhp on 93 US fuel equivalent with MAF's maxed out (UpRev). So not bad news from me guys, finally got my limp mode thing sorted out, it was infact the flywheel as suspected, so if it ever happens to anyone else, car would only rev to like 3k, ran like a complete dog, timing was stuck on 25 degrees. Now the good news, finally got word my car is starting to be tuned, almost finished so should get it back this week (public holiday tomorrow here in Australia for ANZAC day so hopefully Thurs/Fri). Car was making around 330rwkw (about 440rwhp) on 98 RON Pump fuel, about equiv to your 93 when the MAF's maxed out, was previously UpRev tuned so had to stick with the same guys to try work out what the limp mode was. Don't have a dyno sheet yet, will try get one when I pick it up. I'll be going ahead with the UpRev GT Maf's and switching to E85 + final tune when they arrive. Will keep everyone posted in the coming weeks, this gives everyone else the other option as I'm not sure if anyone else is still running UpRev with this kit + other mods.