Topgunz - air to air upgrade

TopgunZ

What really doesn't make sense is you have the kink in there and making 5psi due to it. But you were making 10psi and the tial adaptor pipe can be installed at the same position or length.

Did the heat from the supercharger hitting the kink create a soft spot or cause degregation to the coupler in that area and now it won't hold its shape?

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milkcow500

Ok guys I finally found a way to do it after getting hump hose couplers. Here's pretty much what I ended up doing.

1. The two bottom couplers are only attached to the pipes the width of the clamps.

2. The coupler that goes to the sc volute had to be forced up a bit on the side closest to you (the coupler will be in more on one side than the other - mounted slanted pretty much)

3. The bottom side of the 45 degree coupler - I shoved the pipe in ALOT more, which helped bring the piping at equal height to the bottom piping.

There's a negligible amount of kinking still, but it looks pretty damn good now. The only issue I'm having right now is that the pipe is touching my fog light now, but I'll deal with that later. Please refer to the pics for reference.

TBatt

Thanks for posting the pictures.

Are you using the 2.5 diameter pipe that is supplied with the A2A kit? Mine would not reach far enough to go very deep into the 45 degree coupler to keep it from collapsing.

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milkcow500

Yes I am. Before, the 45 degree coupler was just in about an inch or so (the width of the clamp + a tiny bit more).

You should be able to push it in a decent amount in order to level the bottom of the piping with the BPV piping. Keep in mind that the piping will be bowed outward a bit, but that is what the hump hose couplers are for.

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bullitt5897

Who would be interested in ditching the Stillen intake manifold?

I have a design for an air to air upgrade that will simplify the entire stillen kit. You can re-use your stock intake manifold or you can upgrade to the GTR conversion from RJ MFG. PM me if your interested as I am working with them on giving you guys a complete kit to do this and take all the guess work out of this upgrade.

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TopgunZ

You mean guesswork like this recent post?

GTM stage 1 S/C - Throttle not opening fully? Or boost leak? Please help!

Its all a part of Forced Induction.

But on the lighter side of things..Can't wait to see it! Seriously though, even if it pulls some guys away from this kit I would like to see your design.

I replicated my kit to help out forum members that wanted an A2A system. I think a dual intake design would be even better, pending price since 2 Tials will cost $500 alone.

When local buyer Z4life came to pick up his A2A kit I showed him how it is possible to make this kit utilizing the stock intake manifold, so he can attest to that. It is possible, so again, I would love to see your design.

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bullitt5897

to clarify:

This would only require:
1. Rotating the SC'er
2. Vertical flow intercooler 1 in 2 out
3. 2 x bov
4. new piping
5. relocating the MAFs into the charge pipes
6. re-installing intake manifold or GTR conversion

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TBatt

I think I may try an experiment and see what happens. I'm planning on using two 90 degree mandrel bent 2.75 pipes, one at the SC outlet and one at the BOV coupler to the intercooler and couple them together with a short piece of straight 2.75. I'm not expecting much but I'm concerned about the reduction in pipe diameter to 2.5 inch for that section. At the low boost we are running compared to some of the turbos it probably won't make much difference, but then again you don't know until you try. My thought is to have as smooth of a transition as possible from the SC to the IC.

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TopgunZ

The intercooler in and out are both 2.5" so that would become the bottleneck at that point.

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TBatt

True, but I'm hoping the area increase at the 90 degree turns of the airflow will be less restrictive.

Do you know what Vortech charges for the SI upgrade?

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TopgunZ

That is why I suggest using the 45*. Follow the steps Milkcow posted and it should work good. There are a lot of others out there with this kit and this is the first i have heard of it being an issue. I think one guy posted that it wasn't an issue whatsoever.


The upgrade is $700 and i think shipping is on top of that. But, it will net you 2 psi more over your current trim.

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TBatt

Okay, I'll give it another try when I take the front end apart this weekend. I just don't understand how it will work. Guess I'll try jamming it together and see if it will stay open.

After talking to Seb and Vortech, it looks like the only way to reach my power goal is to upgrade to the Si. What I don't understand is why I'm down on power compared to what everyone else is seeing. Shouldn't I be at 420-430 whp at 8.4 psi?

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TopgunZ

Like I was saying on the phone, you have 44k on your belt that sounds like never had any conditioning. That serp belt across the 9psi pulley has like 25% wrap, 180 is suggested optimal, and is probably pretty dry. Hit it with that crc I suggested before anything else.

Stock cats? Those will cost you some serious power loss if so.

How much timing do you have?

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TBatt

The car has 42K miles on it. The belt is new that came with the kit so it has less than 1K miles. I'm using a 2.92 pulley on the SC with the larger idler so it has about 80% wrap. All of the other pulleys are the stock Stillen ones. I did pick up a can of the CRC to see if it helps.

Yes, stock cats.

Timing is 15-16 degrees from 3-7K rpm. AFR is 11.5, 8.4 max psi.

Seb is NOT finished with the tune yet so there is probably more power to come with him dialing it in. I'll be doing another log run either this evening or tomorrow. We have been having a bunch of pop up thunderstorms in the afternoon which is quite common for us this time of the year. I may and wait until tomorrow morning when it is cooler and less likely to be wet.

BTW: I did contact Gates about making a 7 rib 109 3/8" belt so that we could use the additional idler on the jackshaft drive AND have the proper width. They can do it but the setup fee is $10K and the minimum order is 100 belts. Ouch!

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Pauly Z

Damn, I will stick to my 6 rib belt. Been driving the car every other day and have had no issues with it. The only thing I get is no belt slip.

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