Topgunz - air to air upgrade

BOLIO 671 · 07-11-2016, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

If he is towing it to the tuner, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he will be on the dyno already.

I was gonna assume the same....but wanted to make sure...Good to know we're gonna have more numbers..

TBatt · 07-11-2016, 08:52 AM

My A2A install (using the stock canned Stillen tune) starts fine and idles fine but the drivability sucks. The tune is waaaaaaaay to lean with this setup. I finally got back to working on the car and took it for a short drive yesterday after replacing a bad fuel pump. Because the last time the car was driven (low fuel pressure) the ECU had fattened up the AFR to the point that it would hardly idle when I fired it up. After driving it around for about ten minutes it finally settled down at idle. Wide band says 14.4 AFR which is good. Driving the car is another matter though. When accelerating under normal (no boost) driving the car accelerates ok but as soon as I reach a no load cruise speed the AFR goes to about 17.5 which is bad, very bad. The car runs rough and isn't happy.

My plan is to go ahead and order a EcuTek kit along with license and get the car so it will drive so that I can get it to the tuner I want to use or have the Zen Master Seb remote tune it for me. John Visconti sells the EcuTek kit and also does remote tuning but I haven't seen many reviews on his work. Anybody got an opinion on John Visconti?

My Supra buddy is willing to help and he tuned his 800hp Supra himself. OMG, what a beast! His car has 220,000 miles on it and is still running super strong!

Back to what the OP was asking, my experience says that unless you have a AFR wide band gauge and know what the AFR is, you should not drive the car to the tuner unless he is located at the end of your driveway. Burned valves and pistons can result from running a lean mixture and oil wash down and ring damage from too rich of a mixture. Slightly off is no big deal but way off can cause serious damage.

StillenZ84 · 07-11-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TBatt

My A2A install (using the stock canned Stillen tune) starts fine and idles fine but the drivability sucks. The tune is waaaaaaaay to lean with this setup. I finally got back to working on the car and took it for a short drive yesterday after replacing a bad fuel pump. Because the last time the car was driven (low fuel pressure) the ECU had fattened up the AFR to the point that it would hardly idle when I fired it up. After driving it around for about ten minutes it finally settled down at idle. Wide band says 14.4 AFR which is good. Driving the car is another matter though. When accelerating under normal (no boost) driving the car accelerates ok but as soon as I reach a no load cruise speed the AFR goes to about 17.5 which is bad, very bad. The car runs rough and isn't happy.

My plan is to go ahead and order a EcuTek kit along with license and get the car so it will drive so that I can get it to the tuner I want to use or have the Yen Master Seb remote tune it for me. John Visconti sells the EcuTek kit and also does remote tuning but I haven't seen many reviews on his work. Anybody got an opinion on John Visconti?

My Supra buddy is willing to help and he tuned his 800hp Supra himself. OMG, what a beast! His car has 220,000 miles on it and is still running super strong!

Back to what the OP was asking, my experience says that unless you have a AFR wide band gauge and know what the AFR is, you should not drive the car to the tuner unless he is located at the end of your driveway. Burned valves and pistons can result from running a lean mixture and oil wash down and ring damage from too rich of a mixture. Slightly off is no big deal but way off can cause serious damage.

I have many many bad things to say about Visconti. STAY FAR AWAY FROM HIM. I will bash that dude any chance I get until I die. If you have to do the remote tuning route Sebz is the way to go hands down. There is no comparison between him and anyone else. He is the best at what he does and is a really good guy to go along with his amazing tuning.

TopgunZ · 07-11-2016, 08:57 AM

If you get that Ecutek then get the very inexpensive map sensor and map tune. Almost every other kit i sold has gone this route.

TBatt · 07-11-2016, 09:06 AM

Okay, more info please. I have not seen this before, or maybe I did but forgot......

TopgunZ · 07-11-2016, 09:13 AM

These other guys that have done this should chime in but you swap that map sensor on the back of your manifold to a (3bar?) map sensor then tune on MAP instead of MAF under WOT conditions.

Someone should throw up the link to the sensor please.

TBatt · 07-11-2016, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

These other guys that have done this should chime in but you swap that map sensor on the back of your manifold to a (3bar?) map sensor then tune on MAP instead of MAF under WOT conditions.

Someone should throw up the link to the sensor please.

Interesting. What the heck, with all of the money and effort into this project I'll look into it. Thanks Top!

BOLIO 671 · 07-11-2016, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

These other guys that have done this should chime in but you swap that map sensor on the back of your manifold to a (3bar?) map sensor then tune on MAP instead of MAF under WOT conditions.

Someone should throw up the link to the sensor please.

Here's a pic of the sensor I'm using with EcuTek...it's a 3 Bar Haltech MAP Sensor...this allows us to tune via Speed Density using MAP instead of MAF....however the post blower/blow thru design on Topz kit will help a lot more with the SD tuning

Here's a link to StillenZ84's link that has it installed....

Stillen Air to Air setup

milkcow500 · 07-11-2016, 09:33 AM

I went with Visconti on my first EcuTek tune and I thought it was a night and day difference from my Uprev tune. Seb's tune was much better though and his communication is on point. I actually reached out to Visconti first to redo the tune, but he never got back to me after a few emails. He is pretty notorious for this unless you are one of his GTR clients.

As for the external MAP sensor, you'll have to contact Specialty Z to order one. I believe Seb did a hybrid tune with mine, but I actually forgot to confirm that with him. It was supposed to utilize both MAP and MAFs for tuning, so you get the best of both worlds.

TBatt · 07-11-2016, 10:03 AM

I've decided and ordered the EcuTek kit from SpecialtyZ and will let Seb do the tuning for me. They even offer a 4 Bar sensor that fits the OEM location as an add on.

I figured that I'm in this far already, lets get this project DONE! I WANT BOOST!!!!!!

This week will be like Christmas, new custom wheels should be in along with the EcuTek kit. I want to smoke some RE-11s!

JWillis72 · 07-11-2016, 06:11 PM

Just got off the phone with Seb and he's shipping my stuff tomorrow. The engine should be done this week so we are getting closer to getting the car back together.

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StillenZ84 · 07-11-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

Just got off the phone with Seb and he's shipping my stuff tomorrow. The engine should be done this week so we are getting closer to getting the car back together.

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You will not be disappointed my friend.

BOLIO 671 · 07-11-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ84

You will not be disappointed my friend.

JWillis72 · 07-11-2016, 08:04 PM

It's sad doing knowing its for someone else but I'm still looking forward to seeing what it does. I love the C7 but the Z has been such a long process it going to be hard to see her go.

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SlyZGuy · 07-12-2016, 03:14 PM

Anyone have a copy of the install instructions for the a2a kit? My shop is working a quote for my build and needs this to accurately price it.

FYI I'll be back with results from install of the following by next month:

topgunz a2a
vortech impellar upgrade
800cc injectors
MAF upgrade
AAM Competition R-Line Oil Cooling System
TIAL BOV

07-11-2016, 08:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
TBatt Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20169	My A2A install (using the stock canned Stillen tune) starts fine and idles fine but the drivability sucks. The tune is waaaaaaaay to lean with this setup. I finally got back to working on the car and took it for a short drive yesterday after replacing a bad fuel pump. Because the last time the car was driven (low fuel pressure) the ECU had fattened up the AFR to the point that it would hardly idle when I fired it up. After driving it around for about ten minutes it finally settled down at idle. Wide band says 14.4 AFR which is good. Driving the car is another matter though. When accelerating under normal (no boost) driving the car accelerates ok but as soon as I reach a no load cruise speed the AFR goes to about 17.5 which is bad, very bad. The car runs rough and isn't happy. My plan is to go ahead and order a EcuTek kit along with license and get the car so it will drive so that I can get it to the tuner I want to use or have the Zen Master Seb remote tune it for me. John Visconti sells the EcuTek kit and also does remote tuning but I haven't seen many reviews on his work. Anybody got an opinion on John Visconti? My Supra buddy is willing to help and he tuned his 800hp Supra himself. OMG, what a beast! His car has 220,000 miles on it and is still running super strong! Back to what the OP was asking, my experience says that unless you have a AFR wide band gauge and know what the AFR is, you should not drive the car to the tuner unless he is located at the end of your driveway. Burned valves and pistons can result from running a lean mixture and oil wash down and ring damage from too rich of a mixture. Slightly off is no big deal but way off can cause serious damage. __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE! Last edited by TBatt; 07-13-2016 at 08:21 AM.

07-11-2016, 08:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6834	If you get that Ecutek then get the very inexpensive map sensor and map tune. Almost every other kit i sold has gone this route. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

07-11-2016, 09:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
TBatt Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20169	Okay, more info please. I have not seen this before, or maybe I did but forgot...... __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE!

07-11-2016, 09:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6834	These other guys that have done this should chime in but you swap that map sensor on the back of your manifold to a (3bar?) map sensor then tune on MAP instead of MAF under WOT conditions. Someone should throw up the link to the sensor please. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

07-11-2016, 10:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
TBatt Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20169	I've decided and ordered the EcuTek kit from SpecialtyZ and will let Seb do the tuning for me. They even offer a 4 Bar sensor that fits the OEM location as an add on. I figured that I'm in this far already, lets get this project DONE! I WANT BOOST!!!!!! This week will be like Christmas, new custom wheels should be in along with the EcuTek kit. I want to smoke some RE-11s! __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE!

07-11-2016, 09:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
milkcow500 Base Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: NYC Posts: 176 Drives: 11 G37xs Rep Power: 43	I went with Visconti on my first EcuTek tune and I thought it was a night and day difference from my Uprev tune. Seb's tune was much better though and his communication is on point. I actually reached out to Visconti first to redo the tune, but he never got back to me after a few emails. He is pretty notorious for this unless you are one of his GTR clients. As for the external MAP sensor, you'll have to contact Specialty Z to order one. I believe Seb did a hybrid tune with mine, but I actually forgot to confirm that with him. It was supposed to utilize both MAP and MAFs for tuning, so you get the best of both worlds.

07-11-2016, 06:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
JWillis72 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 2,002 Drives: 2009 370Z yellow 7AT Rep Power: 45	Just got off the phone with Seb and he's shipping my stuff tomorrow. The engine should be done this week so we are getting closer to getting the car back together. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-11-2016, 08:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
JWillis72 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 2,002 Drives: 2009 370Z yellow 7AT Rep Power: 45	It's sad doing knowing its for someone else but I'm still looking forward to seeing what it does. I love the C7 but the Z has been such a long process it going to be hard to see her go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-12-2016, 03:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
SlyZGuy Base Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Maryland Posts: 220 Drives: 2014 370z S/C M6 Rep Power: 10	Anyone have a copy of the install instructions for the a2a kit? My shop is working a quote for my build and needs this to accurately price it. FYI I'll be back with results from install of the following by next month: topgunz a2a vortech impellar upgrade 800cc injectors MAF upgrade AAM Competition R-Line Oil Cooling System TIAL BOV __________________ Stillen S/C \| '15 Nismo Conversion \| Aodhan \| Eibach \| Tokico \| SPC \| Z1 \| Evo-R \| Aerojacket \| HKS \| Berk \| CFE \| APR \| Amuse \| Z1 \| A2A IC \| AAM \| Buddy Club \|

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