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TopgunZ 04-08-2016 01:53 PM

The kit is going to be designed for the use of the Bosch valve, Turbosmart dual port or any other 1" inlet design BPV.

There are several different styles of BPV's to choose from. So like any kit, if you want a different style you will need to get that flange and make that work on your kit. It is pretty easy to do and I will help you get the parts you would need to do such a thing.

For instance I have had 3 different flanges to accommodate 3 different BPV's so far. Each one being different.

Pauly Z 04-09-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3454301)
You need to put a filter right on the supercharger. But, at the moment, it requires you to remove the bracket. I'm working on a fix.

Is this what your talking bout?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...9effa844c0.jpg

It seems this is what all the 350z people have been doing.

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Pauly Z 04-09-2016 10:38 AM

So I am taking it that, we won't have a recerc path then and just blow off?

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TopgunZ 04-09-2016 12:29 PM

Yes, that is it. But we don't have the clearance to get that cone on without removing the unit.

You will be vent to atmosphere. You can put a hose on the vent of the bpv and route it back into the engine bay to reduce noise. If you place it so it blows into the radiator it will kill the noise even more but it does create heat.

Pauly Z 04-09-2016 12:45 PM

So you ran your car vent to atmosphere and it ran fine?

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TopgunZ 04-09-2016 04:52 PM

You are going with a blow thru setup right?

Pauly Z 04-09-2016 04:53 PM

Yes

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TopgunZ 04-09-2016 08:04 PM

Then no need to recirc

Pauly Z 04-10-2016 09:32 AM

So who is running test pipes here? I am trying to figure what to do. I know this has been talked about. But the conflicting answers are extremely confusing. Any advise?

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Pauly Z 04-10-2016 09:33 AM

I'm more worried about performance with this supercharger, not the sound or smell.

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TopgunZ 04-10-2016 09:50 AM

Cats will most likely fail, clog your exhaust and go boom

Pauly Z 04-10-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3455841)
Cats will most likely fail, clog your exhaust and go boom

So you are running test pipes?

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TopgunZ 04-10-2016 10:13 AM

Check my sig. MD Arts

Cats are probably ok for 9psi or under. Better safe than sorry.

Masterbeatty 04-10-2016 01:34 PM

Topgun, do you have any video's yet?

StillenZ84 04-10-2016 05:15 PM

Im running Berk test pipes. Definitely recommend them over cats like Top said cats can potentially cause major damage.

TopgunZ 04-10-2016 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 3455948)
Topgun, do you have any video's yet?

Not yet, what are you looking for?

My car is currently down from needing to fit up some brackets.

BOLIO 671 04-10-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3455841)
Cats will most likely fail, clog your exhaust and go boom

:iagree:

I had HFC'S and switched out to TP's.....ur EGT'S will go up as ur F.I. so I just decided to go with the TP's to rule out burning them up.....There's not that much difference in sound between HFC'S and resonated TP's....but since smell and sound don't bother u go for the TP'S FTW!!!!...There's more to gain using them.

BOLIO 671 04-10-2016 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 3455948)
Topgun, do you have any video's yet?


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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3456118)
Not yet, what are you looking for?

My car is currently down from needing to fit up some brackets.


Topz. ...at this point any Vids will do....even at idle with a couple of revs.....:happydance:

Masterbeatty 04-10-2016 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3456118)
Not yet, what are you looking for?

My car is currently down from needing to fit up some brackets.

Maybe like a quick drive with a under hood tour.

TopgunZ 04-11-2016 03:30 PM

One thing I forgot to mention is that the MAF voltage readings were exactly the same from side to side. This is important for proper idle. That means the Y pipe is split perfect so both sides, both throttle bodies are receiving the same amount of air.

I forgot to tell the tuner to take a screenshot or I should have snapped a pic of the laptop with my phone of the Maf readings. I am going to redyno and I will do it then.

TopgunZ 04-13-2016 07:46 AM

I was reading on the variances between Dyno Dynamics and DynoJets and it seems that DD's always read lower than the DJ's. I think we use DJ's here as the standard. That is what I last used for my car in Denver when I hit 490whp. Here on the DD I hit 527 but it seems all research says to add 10% to 15% to convert to DJ numbers. If that's the case and we use the median of 12.5% then my car made 593whp! Which actually feels more accurate on the street. The car seems much faster than the 37whp difference in numbers from DJ to DD. It feels closer to that 75-100 mark. I did make 4psi more.

Using the supra calculator for dyno differences I made 627whp but I don't think it is that high. Toyota Supra MKIV : MKIV Specifications

If you google "Dyno Dynamics to Dynojet calculator" you get tons of the same research that they read at least 10% lower.

Anyone have real world experiences with the differences on the Dynos?

Maddog 04-13-2016 10:23 AM

We dont tend to use DJ here in the UK much more common to use DD, thats why some of the figures on here are so alien to us, a stock 370z over here makes about 250hp at the wheels , with the usual bolt ons you get to 280-285hp on a Dyno Dynamics dyno

jaytirbhaw 04-13-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3458256)
I was reading on the variances between Dyno Dynamics and DynoJets and it seems that DD's always read lower than the DJ's. I think we use DJ's here as the standard. That is what I last used for my car in Denver when I hit 490whp. Here on the DD I hit 527 but it seems all research says to add 10% to 15% to convert to DJ numbers. If that's the case and we use the median of 12.5% then my car made 593whp! Which actually feels more accurate on the street. The car seems much faster than the 37whp difference in numbers from DJ to DD. It feels closer to that 75-100 mark. I did make 4psi more.

Using the supra calculator for dyno differences I made 627whp but I don't think it is that high. Toyota Supra MKIV : MKIV Specifications

If you google "Dyno Dynamics to Dynojet calculator" you get tons of the same research that they read at least 10% lower.

Anyone have real world experiences with the differences on the Dynos?

So i've had the opposite occur,

I hit 622 on a dyno dynamics but 598 on the dynojet

I don't really think theres a universal thumb of law that can apply, too many variables.

omG37S 04-13-2016 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw (Post 3458471)
So i've had the opposite occur,

I hit 622 on a dyno dynamics but 598 on the dynojet

I don't really think theres a universal thumb of law that can apply, too many variables.

The local dyno is called "The Heartbreaker" because it is a Dyno Dynamics and reads low compared to others.

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Maddog 04-13-2016 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw (Post 3458471)
So i've had the opposite occur,

I hit 622 on a dyno dynamics but 598 on the dynojet

I don't really think theres a universal thumb of law that can apply, too many variables.

If you dont strap them down correctly then you can get inflated readings , some tuners use this technique to their advantage

TopgunZ 04-13-2016 12:44 PM

One kit went out today and the customer should get it Friday. Another is going out tomorrow. After I proved the Y works good, or great, I told my fabricator to make more. He is supposed to have some done this weekend.

omG37S 04-13-2016 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3458509)
One kit went out today and the customer should get it Friday. Another is going out tomorrow. After I proved the Y works good, or great, I told my fabricator to make more. He is supposed to have some done this weekend.

Do you yet know all that would be needed for the G37 coupe? I'm supposed to be buying a SC kit off a 370Z, and Stillen said the filters were different, as well as a few other mounts and brackets. I'd rather just get the a2a lot components needed and do it right the first time.

jwick 04-13-2016 01:09 PM

From what I've seen I think Tonguns kit should fit a G without any major modification.

I'm pretty familiar with both cars so if I had a picture of all the parts laid out generally how they fit on the car and some of final install, I could probably give you a pretty good indication if it'll fit or not.

2016 04-13-2016 01:09 PM

So do you have any final numbers? I seen the 590s/600s WHP but is it? WTQ?

TopgunZ 04-13-2016 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by omG37S (Post 3458512)
Do you yet know all that would be needed for the G37 coupe? I'm supposed to be buying a SC kit off a 370Z, and Stillen said the filters were different, as well as a few other mounts and brackets. I'd rather just get the a2a lot components needed and do it right the first time.

Really the only two things that matter are the supercharger and manifold positions. The manifold being critical. As long as those two items are the same from Z to G then it should fit right up. Which I am pretty sure they are since the face of the motors are the same and so are the manifolds.

Right Jwick?

TopgunZ 04-13-2016 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2016 (Post 3458533)
So do you have any final numbers? I seen the 590s/600s WHP but is it? WTQ?

Well, I have proven to make 527whp and 414wtq at only 6800rpms on a DynoDynamics.

There should be some numbers from other guys popping up soon.

TopgunZ 04-13-2016 02:14 PM

I should note on here that my 9psi pulley isn't exactly a 9psi pulley but more like an 8.5 since it measures 2.90". Stillen provides the 8psi pulley at 3.12" and their 9psi pulley at 2.75"s. That equates to a big difference in how fast that impeller is being spun.

2016 04-13-2016 04:07 PM

Differently some nice numbers. I was just wondering if you went any higher. So in order to make that power you need E85, A2A, 9lbs pulley? Not bad:-)

StillenZ84 04-13-2016 04:15 PM

Cant wait to see my numbers. Hopefully my 7AT doesn't hold me back. At least it is built I guess and should help overall numbers over the stock trans.

jwick 04-13-2016 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3458538)
Really the only two things that matter are the supercharger and manifold positions. The manifold being critical. As long as those two items are the same from Z to G then it should fit right up. Which I am pretty sure they are since the face of the motors are the same and so are the manifolds.



Right Jwick?



The engine is identical. From the radiator back you can't tell the difference.

BOLIO 671 04-14-2016 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3456664)
One thing I forgot to mention is that the MAF voltage readings were exactly the same from side to side. This is important for proper idle. That means the Y pipe is split perfect so both sides, both throttle bodies are receiving the same amount of air.

I forgot to tell the tuner to take a screenshot or I should have snapped a pic of the laptop with my phone of the Maf readings. I am going to redyno and I will do it then.

On this note....since the MAF's are post blower and right before the Throttle Chambers then we're getting accurate AIT's now versus the Stillen set up which is pre-blower right? Were u able to log ur AIT'S on the dyno run?

TopgunZ 04-14-2016 08:51 AM

Correct. I haven't logged it this time. I am in the middle of swapping back to the 8psi pulley and 34/30 tooth cog setup. When that's done I will make a video of the AITs on the road. The last time I did they never went more than 10* above ambient. But I was only on 9psi. Now that im around 13 they might be slightly higher. But nothing even close to 200* like the current setup..lol..

jwick 04-14-2016 10:50 AM

You were getting 200 IATs with the Stillen kit?

milkcow500 04-14-2016 10:59 AM

Seb posted a video a while ago showing temps near 200 @ WOT with the frozenboost installed.

TopgunZ 04-14-2016 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkcow500 (Post 3459267)
Seb posted a video a while ago showing temps near 200 @ WOT with the frozenboost installed.

True story


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