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No prob, what products are you guys selling?

We mostly deal with 350Z's, but are looking to expand into the 370 market. We sell and install just about anything available for the 350/370Z, as well as the G35/37, including complete FI packages.

At the moment we are hard at work designing a single turbo kit for the 350Z HR (07-08). As of now, the only FI option available for that platform is a twin turbo kit, which can get pricey when you factor in installation at a shop. A single turbo kit, however, can be installed over the course of a long weekend in one's garage.

Once our HR kit is complete, we will move on to a single turbo kit for the 370Z.

cool, it would be good to have a SC, TT and single turbo option.

Agreed, seems more companies are only interested in TT setups to make a profit nowadays, no one has so much as mentioned a single compressor setup.

Yeah, I was talking about development for a TT kit not the install. I think I read his statement wrong/half read the first time. Thought the topic was about development.

In that case, my apologies.

you should work on adapting the 03-05 /06 Vortech for the 07-08 :) Or a remote mount setup :stirthepot:

I would, but I'm not really a supercharger guy. Turbos are much more fun, IMO. Guys with 350Z's are ditching their supercharger setups for turbos left and right, but when was the last time someone ditched their turbo setup for a supercharger? :D

Oh, and I'm not really a fan of the remote mount setups, either. Besides, STS would probably sue me if I made a production rear-mount kit :icon17:

thanks for your hard work Chris!

It's great that your always working on giving the Z family more power options!

Thanks for the kind words! We do what we can :tiphat:

so................what's the verdict on the STS system?

Im just curious how pipeing is going to be ran... especially with 2 mafs... ?

Not many people have them, but if you listen to the 'expert' reviews, it looks like they work just fine:



http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...ettes/1091203/

I am very close to purchasing one of their universal kits, can anybody estimate how much extra cost is associated with one of these if I do everything myself? Also, what psi would this put out/how much whp without any tuning?

you should be asking the company this as that is very important before you buy.

go over to my350z for the answers to your romantic queries. Please tell me you're joking when you say "without ANY tuning" You have to have tuning no matter what psi you run.

Were you planning on going with the stock factory tune? If so, please get a video camera ready when you run it on the dyno. Never seen a VQ37 blow so far and this is a good opportunity :)

Smash:
There's a few issues involved with tuning. primary air/fuel ratio and ignition advance. The ideal (stoichiometric) A/F ratio is 14.7:1. This will make the most power with the least ammount of fuel burnt. It also burns very hot. If you add extra gasoline to the mixture and make it "richer", like 12.5:1, it makes less power and burns more fuel, but the added fuel provides a controlled burn so when oxygen levels drop, the flame goes out and cools the cylinder temperatures (quench effect). A stock sports car will run around 12.5:1 to make good power and keep gas mileage up. When you add boost, you use more fuel, make more power and therefore more heat. Aftermarket tuners will richen the mixture as low as 11.0:1. This keeps temperatures down to prevent melted pistons. It knocks a few hp off your total and also kills your gas mileage, but adds safety to your high rpm, full throttle adventures. Also, the added 50% hp over stock from boost more than outweighs the 2-3% you lose from the rich mixture. The next component is ignition timing. If the spark plug fires too early, you get engine "pinging" or "knock" . This is hard on pistons, wrist pins and connecting rods and can cause catastrophic engine failure. You get more engine knock from using a low octane gas or having a high compression ratio. High octane gas burns slower than low octane. High compression ratio makes the air/fuel charge hotter and the flame front travels faster on ignition. The solution is to retard the timing. Adding boost is like increasing the compression ratio, so the ignition needs to be retarded under boost. The more boost you have, the more retard you need. On the other hand, ignition timing retard kills power output for the emmount of fuel used because the spark occurs later and the gas is still burning when the exhaust valve opens and power is wasted by burning the gas in your exhaust manifold rather than in your cylinder. So... you need progressive ignition retard based on increasing boost levels. Your stock ECU wasn't programemd to run boost and won't retard the timing.

In summary, adding boost without at least doing some dyno tuning with a knowledgeable tuner will result in too lean of aur/fuel ratio and too much ignition advance, which will then slowly destroy your engine.....or quickly depending on how much boost you have and how long you run at high rpm/full throttle conditions.

Got to have tuning to get the gains and to keep everything in safe levels.

oh you can get the gains.... The safe levels are a different story though

there are quite a few STS systems in the ls1 world. and there are some wickedly fast ones. the boost lag is just slightly more than normal but they also inheritly produce better gains because of cooler air temps. and yes. nothing sounds better than a rear mounted turbo setup.

Im sure these work just fine, but how do they protect the turbo from road debri?

Rear mounted turbos are roughly the same height as front mounted turbos. The surrounding structures protect them.

they have a kit in process. it will be a twin turbo. will debut at sema.

Says who?

what about things that get under car and bounce around? Do they shield the turbo?

This kind of setup should be easy to do compared to one in the engine bay. The hardest part will be the exhaust to the intakes and just making sure you use the right sized turbos.

They really do have a kit in the works. I know the owner of the car and the Peformance shop affiliated with the project, it will debut at Sema.

I wonder what size turbos they are using? I would want smaller ones that reach boost quickly to give us some more low to mid end tq and power.

Are they using an IC too?

Sweet I was about to supercharge..but I'm going to wait for this now.

If its going to be twin turbo'd I'm sure the cost is going to be about as much as a S/C kit.

There will be a write up about the STS Turbo Z in S3 magazine.

less design time I would think since they dont have to work around the engine so I would hope it would be cheaper and they could get away with a single turbo kit too. It would be good to have a cheaper option..

Good points. The Z's exhaust is a 2 into 1 exhaust, then a single pipe splits into 2 at the muffler tail section. They could easily run a single turbo off of the single mid pipe and lead it into an inexpensive dual exhaust tip setup.

Its suppose to be twin turbo for the z. There kits are not gonna be cheap. Going to range from 7500-8400 range.

too much IMO for something that is alot easier to design than the ones going in the engine and require less items to produce than some of the TTs out there now. They wont sell but a couple at that price. They arent very popular to begin with so they should come in with a nice low intro price to grap consumers. And they should do a single turbo option and that could be the cheaper version for those that dont want to spend too much.

So what do they need? A couple of turbos and some piping and a tune, maybe an IC if things get too hot. This might be a setup a good local shop could build for you and you just get the tune from who ever they use.

ya good luck with that lol

i like the idea

Looks like you can get a single turbo sts for the 350z under 5k and make around 387hp 400tq @ 8psi.

If it's over 8k:shakes head: