STS Systems

danielw · 07-12-2010, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Major, major lag... also, less boost with same size turbo given all the extra volume of piping that has to fill... nicer in theory than in reality.

Best thing about this is no intercooler needed, but seriously not worth it.

Maybe if this was somehow set up as part of a twincharge design with a big roots blower under the hood to get the car moving... I dunno, that or some nitrous.

incorrect. I had one on a 350 and it made more power and torque at the same psi than a turbonetics kit with a similarly sized turbo. Lower IAT's allow you to run more timing. And with regard to the piping, it's a straight shot and if you line up all the piping in an sts kit vs. say a greddy kit you'd be surprised at how little difference in length of piping there actually is.

Lug · 07-12-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by danielw

incorrect. I had one on a 350 and it made more power and torque at the same psi than a turbonetics kit with a similarly sized turbo. Lower IAT's allow you to run more timing. And with regard to the piping, it's a straight shot and if you line up all the piping in an sts kit vs. say a greddy kit you'd be surprised at how little difference in length of piping there actually is.

Plus it's a compression wave. Think of a hose full of water. You start pushing water in one end, you don't have to wait till that water gets to the other end to see results. Of course air compresses and water doesn't, but you aren't waiting for air to go down the full length of the pipe to get a benefit at the other end.

Push370zzz · 07-13-2010, 02:54 PM

I looked more into it and in my opinion is kind of a ripoff. I'd rather just do the Stillen kit. They were going to use my vehicle as a test mule for their bolt on kit and still wanted like $8800, and were going to keep it for a month. More expensive than the Stillen kit and I don't have to lose the car for a month...no thanks I'd rather just put a dp on a GTR.

Zsteve · 07-13-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs

I looked more into it and in my opinion is kind of a ripoff. I'd rather just do the Stillen kit. They were going to use my vehicle as a test mule for their bolt on kit and still wanted like $8800, and were going to keep it for a month. More expensive than the Stillen kit and I don't have to lose the car for a month...no thanks I'd rather just put a dp on a GTR.

Yea thats total BS. Your better off getting the GTM kit like you said.

Jamaica · 07-12-2010, 03:39 AM

Major lag? Have you drove in one of those cars?
My buddy has one in his z and there no major major lag. Don't judge a book by its cover.

Jordo! · 07-12-2010, 11:44 AM

Huh. Okay, well I've only seen a few set-ups done and they were less expensive and didn't need an intercooler, but boost came on later and it definitely didn't have the power potential of a traditonal set-up.

Maybe they've developed better systems for the Z -- I'll take you guys on your word on this one.

We're talking a rear mounted kit here, right? I didn't mean that comment for a single turbo under the hood (although you will typically get a broader power band for a TT kit over a large single one, usually at the cost of less top end).

EDIT: I just looked at the power/torque curve on the 350Z forum -- the boost curve is nuts...

It looks like they're running an extra big turbo to fill the piping, and there's pretty much nothing until almost 4K, then the power comes on and hits like a freight train.

That's fine for the drag strip, but it's gonna feel a little ungainly on a road car.

Okay -- I'll step off my soap box -- if you guys want that -- go for it.

I'm not a personal fan of torque curves that look like that...

GingaBreadMan · 07-14-2010, 11:14 AM

I just spoke to the guys at STS and they just finished dynoing a 370z for baseline numbers. The build is going to take about 2 months. They haven't decided on price or whether to offer single or twin turbos. All info will be available via their website. I've waited a while for this info. I'm glad I delayed my mods.

Zsteve · 07-14-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan

I just spoke to the guys at STS and they just finished dynoing a 370z for baseline numbers. The build is going to take about 2 months. They haven't decided on price or whether to offer single or twin turbos. All info will be available via their website. I've waited a while for this info. I'm glad I delayed my mods.

tell them it should be less than the GTM SC as it requires less design and parts. Tell them the consumer wants fair pricing or else.

GingaBreadMan · 07-14-2010, 08:47 PM

I'm just happy to have another turbo option. 18k for turbos is ridiculous

Jamaica · 07-12-2010, 12:37 PM

ya its different when you read info then drive the car and see the result for yourself.

Zsteve · 07-12-2010, 04:47 PM

also if they use a recirculating valve and note a blow off valve the unused air is recirculated back into the air intake to help keep the turbo spinning up.

Jamaica · 07-14-2010, 02:34 PM

lol or else what?

Zsteve · 07-14-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951

lol or else what?

or else we wont buy it I guess. I also hope the tq numbers are better than a SCs even if just 1 turbo, which is really all I would want if I bought their kit.

Lemers · 07-14-2010, 09:14 PM

In for info

LateralG'z · 08-05-2010, 10:41 PM

I hope it does not have better TQ than the SC kits @ 8 psi or I will be making more changes under my hood. Yikes this car drains my wallet

07-13-2010, 02:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Push370zzz Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NE Age: 40 Posts: 649 Drives: cars Rep Power: 17	I looked more into it and in my opinion is kind of a ripoff. I'd rather just do the Stillen kit. They were going to use my vehicle as a test mule for their bolt on kit and still wanted like $8800, and were going to keep it for a month. More expensive than the Stillen kit and I don't have to lose the car for a month...no thanks I'd rather just put a dp on a GTR. __________________ Range Rover Sport Supercharged Nissan 370z Touring + Sport

07-12-2010, 11:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Huh. Okay, well I've only seen a few set-ups done and they were less expensive and didn't need an intercooler, but boost came on later and it definitely didn't have the power potential of a traditonal set-up. Maybe they've developed better systems for the Z -- I'll take you guys on your word on this one. We're talking a rear mounted kit here, right? I didn't mean that comment for a single turbo under the hood (although you will typically get a broader power band for a TT kit over a large single one, usually at the cost of less top end). EDIT: I just looked at the power/torque curve on the 350Z forum -- the boost curve is nuts... It looks like they're running an extra big turbo to fill the piping, and there's pretty much nothing until almost 4K, then the power comes on and hits like a freight train. That's fine for the drag strip, but it's gonna feel a little ungainly on a road car. Okay -- I'll step off my soap box -- if you guys want that -- go for it. I'm not a personal fan of torque curves that look like that... __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 07-12-2010 at 11:58 AM.

07-14-2010, 11:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
GingaBreadMan Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New York Posts: 313 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6spd Rep Power: 16	I just spoke to the guys at STS and they just finished dynoing a 370z for baseline numbers. The build is going to take about 2 months. They haven't decided on price or whether to offer single or twin turbos. All info will be available via their website. I've waited a while for this info. I'm glad I delayed my mods. __________________ ClearBra/Debadging/Tinted Head & Taillights Coming Soon:180° Customs Headlights/ISS Forged Spyder 19" 265*305/Swift Springs/STS Rear Mount Turbo

07-14-2010, 08:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
GingaBreadMan Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New York Posts: 313 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6spd Rep Power: 16	I'm just happy to have another turbo option. 18k for turbos is ridiculous __________________ ClearBra/Debadging/Tinted Head & Taillights Coming Soon:180° Customs Headlights/ISS Forged Spyder 19" 265*305/Swift Springs/STS Rear Mount Turbo

07-12-2010, 04:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	also if they use a recirculating valve and note a blow off valve the unused air is recirculated back into the air intake to help keep the turbo spinning up. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

07-12-2010, 03:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 74	Major lag? Have you drove in one of those cars? My buddy has one in his z and there no major major lag. Don't judge a book by its cover.

07-12-2010, 12:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 74	ya its different when you read info then drive the car and see the result for yourself.

07-14-2010, 02:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 74	lol or else what?

07-14-2010, 09:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	In for info __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

08-05-2010, 10:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
LateralG'z Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 876 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 17	I hope it does not have better TQ than the SC kits @ 8 psi or I will be making more changes under my hood. Yikes this car drains my wallet __________________ 2010 Mag Black, 6MT,

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