Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

SouthArk370Z · 10-06-2015, 07:22 PM

Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way but just being legal is below the minimum standard for people I will do business with. If a company is not willing to treat me and other customers in a fashion that goes above and beyond "legal", I'll take my business elsewhere.

Maybe the GTM-to-Gamma changeover is completely legit and Gamma is a completely separate company that only bought GTM's IP. But, with them keeping Sam on, it sure doesn't look that way. Since I am not privy to the inner workings of Gamma (or any other vendor), all I have to go on is appearances.

Back to the food analogy: if a restaurant cook gives everybody food poisoning and sells his recipes/equipment/building to new owners, I'm not eating there if the same cook is still working there - in any capacity. If anybody else wants to take their chances, I wish them well ... but don't expect a lot of sympathy when you start puking up your supper.

No matter what the truth is (we'll never know for sure), Gamma made a very bad business decision when they decided to keep Sam on the payroll.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

You didn't respect my first request @zbrah, in fact you didn't even acknowledge it. So once again I am going to ask you nicely. While you're over there thriving off the energy you get from arguing with everyone, please for the last time, leave my company's name out of your theories as it pertains to other people's situations.

You are spewing hearsay all over this thread to things you can't prove or back up and it's affecting with my ability to maintain a good image as a vendor in this forum. This is my job and you are playing with my income right now. Nobody in my position would take lightly to this much less kindly ask you to stop for a second time.

Knock it off.

Calm down bro. What I've said in the post you quoted doesn't have any effects to you selling the kit you have on hand. Whether anyone would buy that kit relies heavily on how much they can trust this new company and its customer service, not some guy mentioning your name in a thread. No where did I say anything to smear your company.

And just to add, this thread goes to the next page too quickly, I honestly haven't read any of the longer posts

just barely skimmed over what stands out.

So don't feel so bad if I didn't acknowledge you

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Calm down bro. What I've said in the post you quoted doesn't have any effects to you selling the kit you have on hand. Whether anyone would buy that kit relies heavily on how much they can trust this new company and its customer service, not some guy mentioning your name in a thread. No where did I say anything to smear your company.

Yeah everything has effects, So now just bash the product he is trying to sell because it was made by a company with a bad rep and not his company? Makes it aloottt better.
I know first hand Todd's product and customer service is top notch

I can agree with how fast this thread is going though

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Yeah everything has effects, So now just bash the product he is trying to sell and not his company? Makes it aloottt better.
I know first hand Todd's product and customer service is top notch

Anddd when did anyone bashed the product Todd is selling?

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Anddd when did anyone bashed the product Todd is selling?

The bolded above is phrased in a way to where it can be seen that way. Just was pointing it out in good form; I would instead of saying "that kit" but say "a GAMMA/GTM kit"

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

The bolded above is phrased in a way to where it can be seen that way. Just was pointing it out in good form; I would instead of saying "that kit" but say "a GAMMA/GTM kit"

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 07:45 PM

jwick · 10-06-2015, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers

All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed

The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community.

As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community.

But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt.

Remember that respect isn't given freely

Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post.

Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them?

I made a simple joke because your hardheaded *** continued to make the same statements over and over again but never answered my first question. You also continue to add more and more new information every time you post a response. This time you added that all your information is from people speaking directly with Gamma during visits to the shop. You could have listed this as a fact but also information you received from a 3rd party so you cannot completely verify.

Please continue to response because I need something to do between innings

FYI - if you actually read my posts you would know that I have no horse in this race. I was simply trying to get you to clarify a statement and you went left.

SouthArk370Z · 10-06-2015, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

The bolded above is phrased in a way to where it can be seen that way. Just was pointing it out in good form; I would instead of saying "that kit" but say "a GAMMA/GTM kit"

The whole thread is about GTM and Gamma. A reasonably intelligent person will be able to figure out that the GTM/Gamma products were being referred to.

Rusty · 10-06-2015, 07:49 PM

Stopped reading this thread last night because I went to bed. I like my sleep.

It has gone from page 3 to page 11 when I started to read it again. And nothing as changed. It's the same people arguing.

I can see both sides of the argument. For this to work out is to give it time. Either Gamma will prove themselves or they implode. Then we will see which side was right.

Plus there is 4+ vendors on the forum reading this thread. Do you think that this type of arguing doesn't make them nervous? Wondering who's next.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Stopped reading this thread last night because I went to bed. I like my sleep.

It has gone from page 3 to page 11 when I started to read it again. And nothing as changed. It's the same people arguing.

I can see both sides of the argument. For this to work out is to give it time. Either Gamma will prove themselves or they implode. Then we will see which side was right.

Plus there is 4+ vendors on the forum reading this thread. Do you think that this type of arguing doesn't make them nervous? Wondering who's next.

None, I hope! Entertaining values aside. These threads should serve as a deterrent for any vendor thinking to follow in GTM/GAMMA's foot steps.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick

So it can be hearsay? Birdman made a statement. I'm just trying to clarify if there is any factual basis to that statement. It doesn't appear that there is which means he is getting sideways with people drawing their own conclusions about Gamma being shady, when he himself is drawing conclusions on what they are willing to do. Kinda kettle/pot...

Nothing I or Bullitt have said on behalf of Gamma Motors has been something that they have told either Bullitt or I. The ideas that he or I have given or est numbers were usually to a possible solution that someone could use to be able to have leverage in their situation.

Answer your first questions?

and as for your simple joke? as it was not, came off as a sny insult about me being brain damaged by SoCal pollution to the point where I need how to read still in life.
next time you should check yourself a bit.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

The whole thread is about GTM and Gamma. A reasonably intelligent person will be able to figure out that the GTM/Gamma products were being referred to.

A reasonably intelligent person would understand the difference in the specificity of the Kit that is sitting at Vivid Racing and the kits that the company is producing and selling, of which I was referring

Thanks for the

although you must have misunderstood what was being discussed!

SouthArk370Z · 10-06-2015, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

A reasonably intelligent person would understand the difference in the specificity of the Kit that is sitting at Vivid Racing that the kits that the company is producing and selling, of which I was referring

Thanks for the

although you must have misunderstood what was being discussed!

Vivid was used as an example, hence the "possibly" in the comment. As written, it was not specifically aimed at Vivid.

I may be from Arkansas (we're even dumber than Texans) but I can still read. I even score very high (>2 SD above mean) on reading comprehension tests.

PS: The "reasonably intelligent person" was not a jab at you (or anyone else). Merely stating that his comment, although not as precise as you wanted, was still understandable by most people.

vividracing · 10-06-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Calm down bro. What I've said in the post you quoted doesn't have any effects to you selling the kit you have on hand. Whether anyone would buy that kit relies heavily on how much they can trust this new company and its customer service, not some guy mentioning your name in a thread. No where did I say anything to smear your company.

And just to add, this thread goes to the next page too quickly, I honestly haven't read any of the longer posts

just barely skimmed over what stands out.

So don't feel so bad if I didn't acknowledge you

Calm down? I'm not your bro. Did I not ask you politely twice? I couldn't be any more calm.

Again I must remain the professional here. When you insinuated that GTM sent me parts from someone else's kit, that is most certainly not making a good name for me. Just as I explained to FPenvy, there is a lot of reading comprehension issues in this thread and the last thing I need is for someone to skim along and read that I took "stolen" goods, what do you think that does for my business?

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

So because you and vivid spents xxx amounts of money with gtm and small joe on the forum only spent x amount. You guys deserve higher priority and prompt attention? Sorry man, but that condescending attitude is what drove that business to the ground.

Now I know that wasn't directed at me but once again what does it imply? How do you know how much money I've spent with GTM? Should I have refused to take the parts to complete my kit because someone possibly before or after me paid for theirs and didn't get it? For the record Sam negotiated the payback on GTMs debt to us with the CEO of Gamma, it was approved and we are for the most part, whole again. This had nothing to do with me, it wasn't my idea or my request. This was negotiated through the owners of Vivid and Sam, he took it to Gamma and that's what was agreed upon.

Secondly, you have taken the very clear approach to make sure that everyone in the community sides with you to make sure nobody does business with Gamma. But then my name shows up, no other vendors who sell the product, just mine. Do you understand what that does to my business? Can you see how it interferes with my sole purpose of working on this forum?

Like I asked before, the name "Todd" and or "Vivid Racing" should not be mentioned by you because I've asked you nicely to stop interfering with my ability to make a living. That's all. There are people on this forum who have already been getting quotes from me on Gamma's kit and I don't appreciate you mentioning us when you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't have stolen parts, I have a complete kit that we paid for. I did not get special attention because of the amount of business we did with GTM to get what was owed to us. However I appreciate the attention they paid us to make things right. I have made it clear that if people want the kit but aren't comfortable going direct through Gamma, then they can go through me and enjoy a generous discount given to me for a debt that is owed (money lost that I could choose to keep) on the first 6 kits.

I also have in writing that the Stage 1 G37 kit I have will be covered by Gamma on the warranty and the price is not only lower than GTMs MSRP but MUCH lower than Gammas new pricing.

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