Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

Z eliminator · 10-06-2015, 09:23 AM

I talked to Sam. last week
But im not sure that Gamma knows what is happing.
May be it will take some time for them to contact me as others may be ahead of me.
I know were my engine is and how much work has been done to it.
Sam was very honest and upfront with me about that.
he told me the truth about it and he was not lying to me .
If they had my pistons I would have had the 4.2 stroker in a short time.
For the most of times he has been very honest with me.
it just takes forever.
Since the pistons were missing I decided to go for a 4.5 stroker, they have the sleeves and only have to order the pistons. I have not paid for these parts.
My stage 3 heads are done and completed.
Hopefully Gamma will call me.
To date I have no issues with them, and I expect them to complete my engine and ship it to me, with all the engine parts on it.
All they have to do is ask Pablo.
I like him a lot as he always treated me with respect.
The same goes for Mike,
Im willing to work with Gamma

Z eliminator.

FPenvy · 10-06-2015, 09:27 AM

you're quite the optimist for having 26k just floating around somewhere.

i really hope you are made whole and don't get it from behind anymore from sam, gtm, gamma. i know you say sam calls you and whatnot but how long has it been that you've been waiting? i swear for the last 3 years I've seen you talk about this engine and SC kit that you've been waiting on.

Z eliminator · 10-06-2015, 10:07 AM

I got the Stage 2 kit SC. still waiting for the Stage 3 upgrades.
It came with all the parts
The stage 3. 7 AT was also shipped and I have it.

Z

GZ3 · 10-06-2015, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

this ^^^^^^^^^^

this is when I laugh at the few on here repping GTM/Gamma like some fuckin addict fresh out of rehab.

zelim got that much money missing and cant get a phone call returned but you other people say you're in talks with sam and gamma and emails blah blah blah bullshit.

I really cant give them any slack even with the "firing sam" PR stunt.

even if these people are made whole i'm still gonna have to talk down about GTM/Gamma and ALWAYS steer fellow Z/G brothers in a better direction for their part needs.

if Sam the Scam doesnt come thru for Z elim, this community will go nuts.

rightfully so, we are all on the same team, a smear campaign is not big deal to me if I can spare another victim

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Absolutely agree! I saw a text/email posted somewhere where the Gamma owner said they are not legally or morally obligated to do anything. I understand the legal loopholes they are using to avoid paying customers that got screwed, but morally these guys are already bankrupt. That is precisely the kind of attitude I would expect from management willing to hire someone like Sam. We know exactly what kind of people these guys are. There is no doubt that these guys knew exactly what they were doing and were looking to take advantage of the situation. Without making a significant number of people in this community whole again, they do not deserve a dime of business from this community. IMO anyone who says otherwise either has something to lose from a personal standpoint (i.e. they've already given Gamma their money) or they just don't care about the community

Loopholes?

Do you know the transaction Sam had with Gamma? Do you have details of the deal? Do you know exactly what they bought? Do you know the revisions of the deal or how many it took?

I can tell you I have seen and heard first hand the high level details... In no way shape or form do they owe anything! Legally or Morally.... What you see from Todd, Zeliminator and Myself is the sanity of the situation. We know more than most. I know way more than a majority and I can tell you the high level of what went down.

They bought the intellectual property to the kits along with a few other products. They also re-established vendor/manufacturer relationships. They did indeed part ways with Sam. Despite what most of you choose to believe they are here to make products. The fact they are working with many of us says leaps and bounds to their morality!

So before we grab our torches and pitchforks lets get a hold of the facts! Stop making emotional decisions and start being logical. If anyone has a right to make an emotional decision its Zeliminator and myself. We have spent more money with Sam and GTM than most pay for their cars. This is also why we are so close to the knowledge of whats going on... You spend this kind of money you make sure you know whats going on with the business.

So lets keep it civil and keep this on topic to what people are experiencing with Gamma so the Admins and others will have first hand accounts of peoples dealings with the possible vendor.

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

if Sam the Scam doesnt come thru for Z elim, this community will go nuts.

rightfully so, we are all on the same team, a smear campaign is not big deal to me if I can spare another victim

Zeliminator will be in good hands. We have locals that have helped tremendously in his efforts. Sam was also honest with Zeliminator on the status of his motor. We know where his motor and parts are and Zeliminator is in talks with all parties involved. I have also given him a few extra communication paths and will most definitely be helping him retrieve his parts.

GZ3 · 10-06-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Zeliminator will be in good hands. We have locals that have helped tremendously in his efforts. Sam was also honest with Zeliminator on the status of his motor. We know where his motor and parts are and Zeliminator is in talks with all parties involved. I have also given him a few extra communication paths and will most definitely be helping him retrieve his parts.

That is really good to hear, looking forward to a positive outcome

JARblue · 10-06-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Loopholes?

Do you know the transaction Sam had with Gamma? Do you have details of the deal? Do you know exactly what they bought? Do you know the revisions of the deal or how many it took?

I can tell you I have seen and heard first hand the high level details... In no way shape or form do they owe anything! Legally or Morally....

So lets keep it civil and keep this on topic to what people are experiencing with Gamma so the Admins and others will have first hand accounts of peoples dealings with the possible vendor.

Ok, we don't have to call them legal loopholes. We can call it capitalism: business (i.e. $$$) > consumer. It's just the way it works when a company owes customers more money than they have and declares bankruptcy. Call it what you will. I never claimed to know any of the details. But if it looks like a scam and smells like a scam, it's probably a scam. Gamma doesn't look to be directly scamming customers at this point, I'm happy to see, and I never said otherwise.

But there is still a problem with Gamma in regards to the morality of the whole situation:

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Legally they are not but morally they are selling parts that belongs to the guys in the group buy. Those guys are members of this community. We are all here to support one another if some people have forgotten that. Gamma is banned from here and myg37 for a reason. I still stand by my comment.

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Originally Posted by jwick

GTM bought equipment and parts from the deposits of unfortunate group buy customers of the then MHI, now redubbed V3, kit. Any person buying a V3 kit from Gamma is buying what I would consider stolen goods from good hardworking forum members of both this site and myG37.com.

Elmo370z · 10-06-2015, 11:51 AM

Hot topic

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Ok, we don't have to call them legal loopholes. We can call it capitalism: business (i.e. $$$) > consumer. It's just the way it works when a company owes customers more money than they have and declares bankruptcy. Call it what you will. I never claimed to know any of the details. But if it looks like a scam and smells like a scam, it's probably a scam. Gamma doesn't look to be directly scamming customers at this point, I'm happy to see, and I never said otherwise.

But there is still a problem with Gamma in regards to the morality of the whole situation:

Lets clear this up. GAMMA is not selling previously sold kits to people... There is no morality issue here. I was in the shop a few months before GTM moved. I had several people in and out of the shop as well. I can tell you this as a fact. The inventory Sam had was not of complete kits as a matter of fact he didnt have much in the way of partial kits... They were finished and shipped out. When Gamma bought the intellectual property they had to start from scratch. Inventory was extremely limited when they bought in. If you guys were actually in the shop leading up to the transaction you would know this.

Stop trying to make connections where there is none. Here is the biggest issue. We all got burned by GTM! Does it Suck YES! in the case for some of us its worse than others. Now GAMMA a new company owned by different people bought the intellectual property to the SC'r and TT kits along with some other misc. products. They opened up shop in a new facility that Sam had procured. (to those saying why do they have to be in the US... these guys are based out of the middle east... you want to pay that shipping cost?). Gamma is both a different legal entity and different ownership and management. All the inventory is new and fresh. None of the inventory consisted of previously sold kits.

Now that we are straight... back on topic...

JARblue · 10-06-2015, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

The inventory Sam had was not of complete kits as a matter of fact he didnt have much in the way of partial kits... They were finished and shipped out. When Gamma bought the intellectual property they had to start from scratch. Inventory was extremely limited when they bought in.

I'm not sure this was ever made clear

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 12:16 PM

Also, they are not selling the MHI turbo kits... they are selling the V3 kits based on the Garrett Turbocharger platform...

For those thinking Sam just walked with the GB money you would be dead wrong. He ran into production issues... The manifolds to fit the MHI turbos and the turbos themselves had issues. He went through over a dozen investment casts for the turbo manifolds alone... which is what was taking so long... I saw them all lined up on the floor and held them in my hands... The money from those sales went to the kits the problem was he did the GB too early and hadnt finished the development of the kit. I was saying this back in the day when issues started arising. This was a bad business decision and many of us got burned... He attempted to pay back people and I know he worked out deals with several people but I dont know if everyone got taken care of. Now I know some people may be able to upgrade to the V3 kit with Gamma in order to offset their loss. In that they are being very generous... they are not bound legally or morally to any former customers of GTM.

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 12:21 PM

MHI does not equal V3 just FYI... the only common pieces were ancillary items and the turbo manifolds. The V3 manifolds had to be developed by a new manufacturer to get the issues sorted.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 12:23 PM

So because you and vivid spents xxx amounts of money with gtm and small joe on the forum only spent x amount. You guys deserve higher priority and prompt attention? Sorry man, but that condescending attitude is what drove that business to the ground. This forum is full of potential customers like small joe, and your words doesn't instill much confidence right now. I hope this new company learn from that mistake and start treating each one of their customer, large or small, with the same level of respect and service, and not just the selected few. So far gamma haven't shown any signs of that. So before we start talking about possible vendor status. How about making amends with all the unhappy customers first! That's how you earn credibility and establish new client base. It's basic business 101. Not this "We are not legally or morrally obligated" bull crap. If you don't think there is anything wrong with the way this company answered its potential customer, you're very much contributing to its problem. And I don't care if their products are the best in the business (which I highhly doubt), if they can't establish trust with their customers base, they will be gone quicker than you can spell out C A N C E R.

Possible vendor :

yeah, good luck with that!

tiller · 10-06-2015, 12:32 PM

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

10-06-2015, 09:23 AM	#46 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	I talked to Sam. last week But im not sure that Gamma knows what is happing. May be it will take some time for them to contact me as others may be ahead of me. I know were my engine is and how much work has been done to it. Sam was very honest and upfront with me about that. he told me the truth about it and he was not lying to me . If they had my pistons I would have had the 4.2 stroker in a short time. For the most of times he has been very honest with me. it just takes forever. Since the pistons were missing I decided to go for a 4.5 stroker, they have the sleeves and only have to order the pistons. I have not paid for these parts. My stage 3 heads are done and completed. Hopefully Gamma will call me. To date I have no issues with them, and I expect them to complete my engine and ship it to me, with all the engine parts on it. All they have to do is ask Pablo. I like him a lot as he always treated me with respect. The same goes for Mike, Im willing to work with Gamma Z eliminator. bullitt5897 and daj349 like this. __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015.

10-06-2015, 10:07 AM	#48 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	I got the Stage 2 kit SC. still waiting for the Stage 3 upgrades. It came with all the parts The stage 3. 7 AT was also shipped and I have it. Z __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015.

10-06-2015, 12:16 PM	#57 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Also, they are not selling the MHI turbo kits... they are selling the V3 kits based on the Garrett Turbocharger platform... For those thinking Sam just walked with the GB money you would be dead wrong. He ran into production issues... The manifolds to fit the MHI turbos and the turbos themselves had issues. He went through over a dozen investment casts for the turbo manifolds alone... which is what was taking so long... I saw them all lined up on the floor and held them in my hands... The money from those sales went to the kits the problem was he did the GB too early and hadnt finished the development of the kit. I was saying this back in the day when issues started arising. This was a bad business decision and many of us got burned... He attempted to pay back people and I know he worked out deals with several people but I dont know if everyone got taken care of. Now I know some people may be able to upgrade to the V3 kit with Gamma in order to offset their loss. In that they are being very generous... they are not bound legally or morally to any former customers of GTM. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

10-06-2015, 12:21 PM	#58 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	MHI does not equal V3 just FYI... the only common pieces were ancillary items and the turbo manifolds. The V3 manifolds had to be developed by a new manufacturer to get the issues sorted. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

10-06-2015, 12:23 PM	#59 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5452	So because you and vivid spents xxx amounts of money with gtm and small joe on the forum only spent x amount. You guys deserve higher priority and prompt attention? Sorry man, but that condescending attitude is what drove that business to the ground. This forum is full of potential customers like small joe, and your words doesn't instill much confidence right now. I hope this new company learn from that mistake and start treating each one of their customer, large or small, with the same level of respect and service, and not just the selected few. So far gamma haven't shown any signs of that. So before we start talking about possible vendor status. How about making amends with all the unhappy customers first! That's how you earn credibility and establish new client base. It's basic business 101. Not this "We are not legally or morrally obligated" bull crap. If you don't think there is anything wrong with the way this company answered its potential customer, you're very much contributing to its problem. And I don't care if their products are the best in the business (which I highhly doubt), if they can't establish trust with their customers base, they will be gone quicker than you can spell out C A N C E R. Possible vendor : yeah, good luck with that! elperuano and BC416 like this. __________________

10-06-2015, 11:51 AM	#54 (permalink)
Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,709 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	Hot topic

10-06-2015, 12:32 PM	#60 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 370 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 14	what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago jaytirbhaw likes this.

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