Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

Rusty · 10-02-2015, 11:16 AM

The new GM is responsible for the old GM troubles with the key switches. Fiat is responsible for warranty work on older Dodges. So why shouldn't Gamma responsible for what they picked up from Sam?

FPenvy · 10-02-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by warpeacelove

FPenvy my profile not being updated is irrelevant bro. That is besides the point.

Keep Stirring the Pot. My question to you have you owe a Kit from GTM, were you a group buyer participant and were you impacted financially from these? Yes/No

Because I was, I just don't air mutherfcukers out. I handled my problem differently, Aight!

Lastly stop speaking without much validity, get the facts before you comment. Check my Built Thread on MyG37.com. Research my profile name. This is my 2nd Kit from Them. 1st was Twin SC (That is sold) next up TT Kit AWD G37.

stirring the pot? I simply stated FACTS of what has happened. sorry that you're super bias and want to discredit known events and examples of what has taken place.

sorry that looking out for other members/people is such a bad thing here when GTM is brought up. go ahead and let fellow community members go get fucked in the ass dealing with them. not everyone enjoys that.....and you've bought from them twice now?

no, I haven't been hurt financially by GTM or bought parts from them.......I did research and stayed away. all I saw were complaints, horrible customer service, bad parts, missing parts then that whole group buy fiasco. yea i'm too smart and care too much about my money to donate to Sam/GTM's pockets.

good day

GZ3 · 10-02-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by warpeacelove

GZ3 Let's be real here. GAMMAMOTORS isn't obligated nor responsible for the misdeed of GTM. There two separate entities.

But if Gamma opted to help out some folks then you have to give them credit but they are also at fault if they are seeking 2200 Extra from the past buyer.

I would let Sam know about that shi* today and that he needs to fix this gentleman's problem.

Yea you are right, they are not...im not coming down on GAMMA per say...but it SURE LOOKS BAD that they hired back the person from the old business who screwed so many over. It makes it look like a scam...dirty business, surely you can see that Most businesses, when a subordinate, commits an act of in justice, slander, or bad practice, they sever all ties. I don't see subway hiring jared back as just a sandwich maker

warpeacelove · 10-02-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

Yea you are right, they are not...im not coming down on GAMMA per say...but it SURE LOOKS BAD that they hired back the person from the old business who screwed so many over. It makes it look like a scam...dirty business, surely you can see that Most businesses, when a subordinate, commits an act of in justice, slander, or bad practice, they sever all ties. I don't see subway hiring jared back as just a sandwich maker

You are 1000% right. I thought Sam would of been more in the background but I understand not why he is their CTO after all it is his products and he knows them best. As for Jared his action's trump Sam action's. But I get the point.

Gamma shouldn't have Sam answering the phones instead let Pablo or Dave answer then phones. Sam should be in the background.

G37Sam · 10-02-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by warpeacelove

Sam should be in the hospital with a cracked manifold up his ***.

Fixed.

There are shops in Dubai that are still waiting on 6 figures worth of parts from Sam.

elperuano · 10-02-2015, 12:29 PM

Warpeacelove, Black betty said it best. Just stop you look absolutely ridiculous.

Bullitt - few months ago(possibly years now can't keep track of dates that well anymore it's been so damn long) you were adamant that Sam n GTM were slowly making things right and on track to release the turbo kit to those on the lists. Slowly but surely you said they would come. Is this what you meant by Sam making things write slowly and to stop putting him down and fueling the fire with negative comments? Sam has only declared bankruptcy and changed the name to Gamma. That is all Sam has done SINCE YOU said he was gonna make it right. When is enough, enough?

Why is anyone bashing the negative comments towards gtm from dissatisfied customers (not even customers they were literally just robbed of their money with no intention of a kit ever being delivered to them)? If they choose to go online and vent and share their experience then by all means they have every right to do so. It's not SILLY at all. It's very helpful and could steer potential VICTIMS away from the scheme.

Sam is a thief and a liar. That means bad for business. The company that chooses to go to business with a person of that character is no better. They have the same objective as Sam.

The real question should be why are people (albeit very few) helping this pathetic company and man build up his business again after robbing this community of thousands of dollars? Are they getting kickbaks from this or something? They would have to be an absolute phucking moron to believe the dumb chit or they are somehow involved in the scheme. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..... fool me going on almost 2 years later with the same bs? Sit the phuck down. They have been banned from myg37 and the370. To whoever this shoe fits, lace them up.

birdman71 · 10-02-2015, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jaytirbhaw

If you ALLOW the felon continue to drive your car after "he sold it to you" then yes you should be responsible. Which is what gamma is doing.

They're being blamed because Sam is still involved, what is so hard to get about that? He is involved, point blank. Who cares about how it has to go business wise and on paper.

Where are all the customers with these kits that they supposedly already shipped out? How come the only ones popping up are the ones with complaints?

One guy just posted that he bought his kit as recently as last year, he still has nothing. And the guy that took his money ( SAM ) is an active employee of Gamma, is he not ? Are they supposed to just believe he doesn't have a say in the business just because they say so? Then where did that money go ?

Not everyone is rolling in cash, losing 6 grand and being asked for 2 more grand is a kick in the gut for a lot of people. You can't blame people for getting emotional, they have every right too. Gamma should be trying to appease this, it's not all about being nice and clean on paper, they should be trying to earn the trust of the community.

Business wise Gamma may not be responsible, but MORALLY if they bought GTM's intellectual property with the knowledge of Sam's ********, and are attempting to get more money out of the customers Sam scammed then why should anyone trust them?

If they weren't asking for an additional $2000+ then I'm sure people wouldn't be as outraged as they are.

Get the kits to the guys who have been waiting and then maybe people would be more willing to believe.

These are just honest questions that a lot of people, some of whom are good friends of mine, deserve answers too before they can just trust that gamma will make good on new promises.

Then if you are going to keep going on about how Sam is just a bad person please go get in line with the lawsuit that he more than likely will declare bankruptcy on and then NOT have to pay any of you jack sh!t..

I understand the point of integrity in the business world lol I sell for a living a lot like Todd with Vivid Racing. I have to sell to people to put food on my plate. The most consistent way to keep business is have a strong customer service reputation. If that is non-existant and then you start pulling shady moves, yeah you shouldn't have much to do with a company, yet Sam has a bit to do with Gamma Motors now.
Since Sam is not the owner of GTM nor is he the owner nor handles any financials nor business operations for Gamma Motors. He simply was brought in to research the products and produce them. If he even screws around with Gamma Motors a little they will more than likely boot Sam out of the company. Not only that I guarantee that in his Job offer/Employment Contact there are strict guidelines that Sam now has to abide by.

As a business, and I'm sure bullitt can agree, is when taking on a risk you have to make sure you have your *** covered. I'm sure there is some sort of Shotgun clause in his contract to where if any sort of issue happens like last time that Gamma Motors is not held liable nor has any relation to the issue.

If Sam fukcs up again well then that is on Sam and will have yet another Law suit on his hands. If he wants to keep fukcing up his life, then let him. He will eventually have a big enough amount of lawsuits that he will have everything taken from him and chances are put in Jail.

But do NOT discredit a new company for trying to make things right with a problem it did not create (talk about trying to appease the community, so what their product is more expensive, work a deal with the V3) and trying to expand their business by simply USING sam in the process to be able to sell and distribute in the product here in California. Go ahead and look up how hard it is to be able to create any sort of business here in CA. It is damn near impossible. You have to jump through 12 Flaming hoops over 12 buses on fire on a BMX bike with no ramp. Get the picture???
They are trying to help you guys out but they cant literally just give parts away that they did not legally enter into a contractually financial binding agreement. They would go bankrupt fixing Sams sh!t
If you are really worried about buying products from the company, do NOT talk to Sam, get the recording of the conversation with the rep emailed to you (almost all calls to corportations now are recorded and/or monitored whether they tell you or not base on state laws) Get the invoice number on the phone, get the persons name and any sort of corporation alias they go by. Get all the information you need to feel safe that if anything goes wrong you have material to refer to not just a fukcing phone number to call and complain to sam who wont return your calls. There are ways to make sure your *** is covered now-a-days.

IF the company becomes tainted and Sam either fukcs them over or goes under due to the rep that is their problem and new the risk going into the situation.

If you are at all offended or disagree with anything I have to say above.. YOU BELONG IN THE LAWSUIT SO PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT HOW SAM IS A BAD GUY AND PREVIOUS SITUATIONS REGARDING SAM THE SOLUTION TO THE PREVIOUS SITUATION IS THE LAWSUIT AND HOPE YOU GET PAID IN 20 YEARS!!!!

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Originally Posted by warpeacelove

You are 1000% right. I thought Sam would of been more in the background but I understand not why he is their CTO after all it is his products and he knows them best. As for Jared his action's trump Sam action's. But I get the point.

Gamma shouldn't have Sam answering the phones instead let Pablo or Dave answer then phones. Sam should be in the background.

Just don't talk to Sam, Ask to talk to Pablo or Dave instead. Make Same non-existant. Why even deal with him? As for the product, the product was good except for cracked manifolds, of which are upgraded in the V3, so hence why not try and work a deal for the V3's for people looking to still get their kit with a downpayment and WILLING to work with Gamma Motors

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Fixed.

There are shops in Dubai that are still waiting on 6 figures worth of parts from Sam.

Have them get in line with the lawsuit.

vividracing · 10-02-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Hmm...I wonder why your buyer backed out. Be honest.

I left a question in your ad regarding the "standard warranty" offered on the kit. Who will honor the warranty now that GTM is completely dissolved?

The buyer backed out because he was trying to retrofit a G37 kit to a 350Z and didn't want to spend the added money to modify.

The parts that came over to complete the kit came over long after GTM dissolved and Gamma hadn't officially opened for business. So Sam took care of us on what he owed in good faith and is continuing to make an effort to pay back the rest.

There is no alliance here, there is no loyalty to GTM or Sam. I am simply here to sell parts, which feeds my family and a complete stage 1 kit is what I have. As I said before I am and advocate for my customers, not the manufacturer. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have much business or any food to put on the table. So if the buyer has a problem, he deals with me and I deal with Gamma. Plain and simple.

birdman71 · 10-02-2015, 01:45 PM

What Gamma Motors is doing is business and they are trying to be nice to the previous issues that Sam had. If they aren't doing it to your potential or liking then please stand in line with the Lawsuit and wait for Sam to refund you through a court of law.

vividracing · 10-02-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

Why is anyone bashing the negative comments towards gtm from dissatisfied customers (not even customers they were literally just robbed of their money with no intention of a kit ever being delivered to them)? If they choose to go online and vent and share their experience then by all means they have every right to do so. It's not SILLY at all. It's very helpful and could steer potential VICTIMS away from the scheme.

What I was addressing as silly is the threats, the wishes for someone to get hurt or to try and personally ruin someone's life. We are adults here and should act that way.

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Originally Posted by elperuano

Sam is a thief and a liar. That means bad for business. The company that chooses to go to business with a person of that character is no better. They have the same objective as Sam.

The real question should be why are people (albeit very few) helping this pathetic company and man build up his business again after robbing this community of thousands of dollars? Are they getting kickbaks from this or something? They would have to be an absolute phucking moron to believe the dumb chit or they are somehow involved in the scheme.

So now you are calling myself, birdman and bullitt (to name a few) liars and thieves and are somehow affiliated with Sam's poor business practices? Did I read that correctly?

birdman71 · 10-02-2015, 02:26 PM

Don't hate the player hate the game and if you can't change the rules of the game or how the game works, work around the game.

player = Sam
game= him taking $$$ for parts and not delivering.

Take Sam out of the equation and just don't order from him specifically. Simple as that. If you decide not to work with Gamma Motors on whatever your issue is and you just want to bash and or ruin Sam in the wrong way and not go about it the right way by getting in line in the Lawsuit; then you are hatin' just to hate.

And now for trying to explain how everything is working to the emotionally and past scenario scar ridden minds, Todd, Mike and I are the bad guys?

Haters gonna Hate. lmao

jaytirbhaw · 10-02-2015, 02:36 PM

This is ridiculous. Obviously there is a divide here, no point in arguing with each other, there is nothing to gain from it. I'm not attacking anyone, but lets not generalize and start going after one another's throats

Bottom line, give people what they paid for, don't hide behind "business is business" excuses to exclude yourself from doing the right thing. If you do, don't expect to be respected for it.

Trips · 10-02-2015, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

[I]What I was addressing as silly is the threats, the wishes for someone to get hurt or to try and personally ruin someone's life. We are adults here and should act that way.

I totally agree here and would appreciate it IF we could continue without that type of language as it doesn't help any, But understandable under the circumstances.

I don't want to intervene here as YOU all know my feelings about the total screwed up situation.

I would like this to continue peacefully or unless AK just decides to close it.

FPenvy · 10-02-2015, 02:38 PM

Zbrah · 10-02-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

The buyer backed out because he was trying to retrofit a G37 kit to a 350Z and didn't want to spend the added money to modify.

The parts that came over to complete the kit came over long after GTM dissolved and Gamma hadn't officially opened for business. So Sam took care of us on what he owed in good faith and is continuing to make an effort to pay back the rest.

There is no alliance here, there is no loyalty to GTM or Sam. I am simply here to sell parts, which feeds my family and a complete stage 1 kit is what I have. As I said before I am and advocate for my customers, not the manufacturer. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have much business or any food to put on the table. So if the buyer has a problem, he deals with me and I deal with Gamma. Plain and simple.

You didn't answer my question. Who is backing the so called "standard warranty" that comes with the kit you're selling?! It's an honest question because I'm curious and I think potential buyers would be as well!

10-02-2015, 11:16 AM	#121 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,187 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	The new GM is responsible for the old GM troubles with the key switches. Fiat is responsible for warranty work on older Dodges. So why shouldn't Gamma responsible for what they picked up from Sam? JARblue, FPenvy, Chuck33079 and 3 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

10-02-2015, 12:29 PM	#126 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	Warpeacelove, Black betty said it best. Just stop you look absolutely ridiculous. Bullitt - few months ago(possibly years now can't keep track of dates that well anymore it's been so damn long) you were adamant that Sam n GTM were slowly making things right and on track to release the turbo kit to those on the lists. Slowly but surely you said they would come. Is this what you meant by Sam making things write slowly and to stop putting him down and fueling the fire with negative comments? Sam has only declared bankruptcy and changed the name to Gamma. That is all Sam has done SINCE YOU said he was gonna make it right. When is enough, enough? Why is anyone bashing the negative comments towards gtm from dissatisfied customers (not even customers they were literally just robbed of their money with no intention of a kit ever being delivered to them)? If they choose to go online and vent and share their experience then by all means they have every right to do so. It's not SILLY at all. It's very helpful and could steer potential VICTIMS away from the scheme. Sam is a thief and a liar. That means bad for business. The company that chooses to go to business with a person of that character is no better. They have the same objective as Sam. The real question should be why are people (albeit very few) helping this pathetic company and man build up his business again after robbing this community of thousands of dollars? Are they getting kickbaks from this or something? They would have to be an absolute phucking moron to believe the dumb chit or they are somehow involved in the scheme. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..... fool me going on almost 2 years later with the same bs? Sit the phuck down. They have been banned from myg37 and the370. To whoever this shoe fits, lace them up. JARblue, Infidel and Zbrah like this.

10-02-2015, 01:45 PM	#129 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 40	What Gamma Motors is doing is business and they are trying to be nice to the previous issues that Sam had. If they aren't doing it to your potential or liking then please stand in line with the Lawsuit and wait for Sam to refund you through a court of law. bullitt5897, vividracing and warpeacelove like this. __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan

10-02-2015, 02:26 PM	#131 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 40	Don't hate the player hate the game and if you can't change the rules of the game or how the game works, work around the game. player = Sam game= him taking $$$ for parts and not delivering. Take Sam out of the equation and just don't order from him specifically. Simple as that. If you decide not to work with Gamma Motors on whatever your issue is and you just want to bash and or ruin Sam in the wrong way and not go about it the right way by getting in line in the Lawsuit; then you are hatin' just to hate. And now for trying to explain how everything is working to the emotionally and past scenario scar ridden minds, Todd, Mike and I are the bad guys? Haters gonna Hate. lmao vividracing, warpeacelove and AntiVenom like this. __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan

10-02-2015, 02:36 PM	#132 (permalink)
jaytirbhaw Track Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 814 Drives: 350z HR , Nismo 370z Rep Power: 16	This is ridiculous. Obviously there is a divide here, no point in arguing with each other, there is nothing to gain from it. I'm not attacking anyone, but lets not generalize and start going after one another's throats Bottom line, give people what they paid for, don't hide behind "business is business" excuses to exclude yourself from doing the right thing. If you do, don't expect to be respected for it. elperuano and Infidel like this. __________________ 2014 Nismo #350 , Built Motor, Top Mount Single Turbo .... 620 whp/ 500 lbs wtq 2012 Track/Drift Z, build coming soon. Build Thread - http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...70z-build.html

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