Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

hjo1078

But why the **** would sam post some **** like this on their fb page then.






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birdman71

Sam is still trying to advertise. He is the developer of the products still from what I understand. Notice how GTM and GAMMA motors are listed.

Honestly for people who owe a couple grand this should be an incentive that GAMMA is giving should be the V3 turbo kits

say you owe like 3k on the kit but they offer you the incentive V3 kit for 4k.

THAT is how they should be running this (as an example with numbers). Again Paraphrasing Bullitt's novel, If they did an incentive program correctly and marketed correctly to these unhappy GTM customers, they would pay off the GTM debt and break even in a 100 kits or so. The math makes sense.

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SolarO350Z

He only made good with vendors. A lot of them were also waiting over a year. Sure make good with the vendors why? Cause they have loyal customers to help Gamma grow. Priority. Screw everyone else and the GB people. I would like to know if GB people got their kits or refunds?

vividracing

Sam has been trying to make good with us. He sent us the missing parts to the SC kit I've sat on for over a year, he's giving us incentives to sell more TT kits that I am now not allowed to even post as sales thread on here.

If everyone here really took the time to read Bullit's explanation you would realize a couple things. Going after Sam in Bankruptcy court is your only option. Taking matters into your own hands and trying to physically harm someone after announcing it on a public forum..?.. c'mon you're silly and obviously talking from something you sit on. Taking matters into your own hands and try to publicly post his personal information all over the internet so he can be harassed..?.. again, silly, what gain will you get from that? Blaming the investors for bad business created by GTM..?.. Do you think they looked at GTM and ripped their shirts open and said "have no fear, we will save the day" and decided to invest. Or would you think that they look at the product and agree that it's a quality product that there is a demand for which makes it a good investment?

The part about Sam being listed as the owner makes plenty of sense if you take the time to comprehend what Bullit is trying to educate you on.

Oh and vendors act as the advocate for the customer, not the manufacturer. Any time my customers have a problem with a product I answer their calls, I reply to their e-mails and I facilitate the remedy to the situation. So for Sam to choose to make things right with a vendor first while he is tied up in litigation with a bunch of people is the only way Gammas products will leave their shop.

I am in the business of making money and I get that done by selling parts. When a vendor is hindering me from doing so by lying, cheating or stealing, they go away very quickly. When I am filled with false promises, ignored and every transaction becomes a painful mess, they go away quickly. I have vendors I simply wont subject my customers to, if you ask me for it I will tell exactly why I wont sell it to you. We work under the premise that everything is our fault when something goes wrong, that the middle man becomes the manufacturer when something goes wrong and on occasion I have been personally attacked or blamed. I love what I do though and I need all of you to help me put food on my plate.

Gamma has a huge hill to climb and those standing in the way with their problems with GTM have a right to demand answers and get things resolved but it has to be done through the proper channels. It can't be fueled by hate and threats and emotions.

That's just my two cents. I mean no offense because I have lived a life where I have been in situations like this but what really gets under my skin is the people who come on here to just join in on the negative. Stop putting fuel on the fire. Nothing gets accomplished under a hot head, cooler minds will prevail. Work together, get in on the lawsuit and build your case to get your justice.

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tiller

I just want my kit that I ordered and payed in full in November of 2014 with no idea a bankruptcy was happening,I want my kit so I can continue to buy parts from vendors such as vivid and others to build AN AMAZING 370Z

vividracing

Amen brother! I really do sympathize with you. Heck I would love for them to refund your money and everyone else's so I can get rid of the G37 kit I have. I just don't know how much you can bleed a rock!

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tiller

I just want the product I payed for,iam not trying to bleed a rock,I don't see it like that,I wana buy stuff from all vendors and me and the others from our car club make our z's n g's stand out from the rest,its a real shame tho cuz what's happening to me his holding back from alot of business from where iam from that could help put food on everyone's table,right now the foods off my family's table due to certain people,and I will NOT be slowed down,unless u have a deal on vented rotors lol

GZ3

NO ONE said to go and get physical...i was sharing a personal story about a friend. Like a "you just cant go around screwing people" kind of thing

And as far as a little internet motivation, to light a fire under thier ***? I dont see what the big deal is, Im not on ANY VENDOR'S SIDE, ever..., My loyalty will ALWAYS BE TO MY Z BRETHREN. And if getting the word out of someones shady dealings to save another victim is silly, then i guess im silly as ****

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Zbrah

Hmm...I wonder why your buyer backed out. Be honest.

I left a question in your ad regarding the "standard warranty" offered on the kit. Who will honor the warranty now that GTM is completely dissolved?

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Stolly08

We all definitely understand that and I would too bro but whom did you pay? GTM or Gamma?
You bought the kit from GTM so GTM is who you need to get your kit or money from... Not Gamma... So get in line with the bankruptcy suit.
My parents have a 6000sq ft house that my dad designed himself and the shingles they bought had a 30year warranty... They are crumpled up and practically destroyed after 13-15yrs, not even barely half the warrantied life! So they go to call the company and low and behold noone answers, and with a Google search guess what, companies gone under and they put their lawyer on the case and he pretty much said its a get in line bankruptcy case, if you ever get the money from it it'll be 20years from now!
These sorts of shitty things happen all over the world we just hope we aren't the unlucky ones but sometimes you are.

So I'd say Gamma who has no legal responsibility of setting GTMs issues right are doing a major favor by offering the rest of OPs parts for a deal and you should try to work out some sort of deal yourself with them.


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Nismodean

So why are you still doing business with them?

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vividracing

Because, as I mentioned several times he has made good on what he owes us by replenishing the missing parts to the kit I have. Also by offering future kits at an added discount (that will be passed on to the buyer) to pay off the monetary debt that he owes since his funds are obviously depleted.

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birdman71

Me neither, I'm not involved but I can understand where every side is coming from and the logic and reasoning behind it.

Sam does need to be put on blast, but not completely harassed and bashed and honestly the best way to do so would be with a Small Claims Lawsuit, if GAMMA does not start offering some sort of incentive to pay more money into their products, cause not only does it show him what he did was wrong and cannot just get away with it by another company trying to fix his mistakes. If Gamma say offers the piping and SC, to the one poster here with the SC issue, for $2200 but offers upgraded manifolds or some sort of upgrade to their current kit, that seems logical. But a price raise and then no incentive plus being out money currently on a kit that is no where or partially found is a rip off
I don't how healthy Sam is currently or know how much Sam understands that he is still 100% liable for everything that happened with GTM, but I do hope that he is doing better.

Honestly customers who purchased into the group buy or bought GTM parts and lost their money have three options:
1. Small claims suit to get your money back (could take multiple years or end in bankruptcy to where he doesn't pay any of it lol)
OR
2. See about working a deal with the new company for an incentive of some sort, literally ask them "What can you offer me to earn me as a loyal customer besides taking over GTM's mistake?" (and offering to fix it for more money cough cough). See what they can do for you. Free shipping even at this point for some people who don't have a kit even would be nice.

3. Custom build the rest of your kit


For the customers out there that are complaining about paying more money, just remember that a true business model is "Spend money to Make Money" (look @ investors Careers lol) Not only is GAMMA having to deal with normal business operations (costs money), but also with the purchase of GTM (costs money), the purchasing of an increased amount of parts (costs money) for these GTM customers that were not correctly giving product in the first place, and then shipping, worker's cost etc. etc. if you bring in every little thing they actually have to pay for for everything they are trying to help with, I'm sure they are in over their head and are trying to recoup money. Sadly just not doing it in the right way to where it fixes what GTM has made a mess. Paraphrasing what bullitt said if they keep down this road they will not have a big enough market group with this investment they made with buying GTM and eventually have problems themselves.

Can only go on so long just spending money without making anything.
Yes it is a lot of money we are talking on both sides of the spectrum, customer and manufacture.

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warpeacelove

Dear myg37.com valued members,

Gamma Motors is solely owned and managed by Amin Al-Kayal. I have attached a copy of the business license certificate which can be verified with the city of Ontario.

Sam (Samer Zawahra) has been hired recently as a CTO in Gamma Motors due to his wide range of experience in the forced induction systems and the huge knowledge in GTM products but he doesn't own anything in the company nor does he manage the business.

Gamma Motors started actively in August 1st this year and delivered a lot of Twin-turbo and supercharger kits on time to its new clients (Distributors and end-customers) and got a lot of good feedback.

Our kits are available and the best in the market. To prove our ability to deliver on our commitments we are happy to only get paid upon delivery of the order.

We also sell through a wide network of distributors and resellers such as Concept Z who will be your commercial and technical interface.

The usual payment options such as credit cards, Paypal and business escrow are still available.

Our latest twin-turbo system (V3) is available as of Monday October 5th, 2015 on promotional price for a limited time.

See the attached Business License guys.