Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

OK sooo let me get into a little more detail here.

1. Getting EPA permits in CA "the nazi State" is near impossible and takes a lot of time and bureaucracy.

2. I can tell you right now from talking to sam and other parties involved he has no decision and is simply holding the documentation for the business. As I stated earlier perception is reality in the eyes of the customer... In your eye's because he is the registered agent that he is running the place. Did you know that most companies have a female registered agent in order to get minority status for contracts even though the company isnt really minority owned... This is a tax, legal loophole they are using to get up and running quickly. If you you want to put this all on Sam that is your prerogative. However, I can tell you from my in depth conversations that he has very little say in those matters.

3. Your confusing business deals with an emotional response on yours or maybe just other peoples perspectives. I can tell you the group that bought it out have a different perspective all together. There is a lot that most do not know and the limited information you have is what has shaped your perception of Sam and the new company.

4. Parts from China = EBAY lmfao! You know the iphone or android device you use is made in china right... You know that car you drive uses chinese parts, that chair you sit in has chinese parts, everything you touch has chinese parts!!! does that mean everything you own is a chinese piece of Crap??? I have bought and sold some high quality electronics and Carbon Fiber panels from China... and you know what the quality was Superb! why? because I did my due diligence. Many people go to SEMA for the show but every year I went was a business trip. Yeah I enjoyed the show but I picked up two manufacturers there from China that made parts for Lamborghinis as well as big names like Rigid Industries (they don't use them anymore). Both companies made quality parts that were near perfect. Sadly I couldnt do the UAM stuff through my Chinese vendor at the time... I wouldnt have had to refund and replace as many parts for clients over little defects...

5. I find it funny that we have so many google warriors in our club who act like they know business when they havent even filed the paper work for incorporation more or less for an EIN tax filing number...

So before we go questioning everything maybe we should get all the facts straight? maybe a good idea before making blanket statements?

Originally Posted by GZ3

I see what your getting at here, but the end result is the customer is getting screwed over. What ever the business side of things is, should be handled by THE business** None of this is the customers fault and thats where all the D is being received. He agreed as a buyer to the terms at the present time, and the seller fell through his half of the transaction. Its that plain and simple, and anything outside of that is a BS excuse. This is not how business should be conducted, the amount of time wasted, and we are not talking about an intake here....the guy already forked over a pretty penny...I would love for some justice for OP...get the better business bureau involved, idk..something

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

So let me clarify your question... So you want a company that bought the rights to GTM products/designs and in the process hired the original owner as an employee to pay for the mistakes of the previous company. And if they don't honor the mistakes of the previous company then they are the bad guys? Is that what your asking/stating? Because from a fact based argument it holds no water so to speak... Now if you really wanted to get your money back you would have to fight to get your money back through the GTM bankruptcy in which you and many others including myself would be low on the totem pole... It's a losing battle and the fact the new company is even recognizing the issues and has made efforts that have already begun to show retribution for some. I feel that they may be on the right track but at the same time may need guidance from the community on what we would expect as proper retribution for the grievances and debts owed to us.

Originally Posted by GZ3

I believe someone should make good on behalf of the customer, this should not fall on the buyer in any way, shape, form or fashion. Im not blaming the new owners either, they inherited a **** from the looks of it. But the customer is lastly, of ALL, who should have to be out. If i read correctly, he cant even get refund? Thats crazzzzzy

Originally Posted by birdman71

Well if he wants a refund it would be through Sam and the small claims lawsuit. the new company and the way they bought it it sounds like from bullitt is that they have no financial liability to anything SAM did with GTM.

Originally Posted by birdman71

Well if he wants a refund it would be through Sam and the small claims lawsuit. the new company and the way they bought it it sounds like from bullitt is that they have no financial liability to anything SAM did with GTM.