The new GM is responsible for the old GM troubles with the key switches. Fiat is responsible for warranty work on older Dodges. So why shouldn't Gamma responsible for what they picked up from Sam?

stirring the pot? I simply stated FACTS of what has happened. sorry that you're super bias and want to discredit known events and examples of what has taken place.

sorry that looking out for other members/people is such a bad thing here when GTM is brought up. go ahead and let fellow community members go get fucked in the ass dealing with them. not everyone enjoys that.....and you've bought from them twice now? :wtf2:

no, I haven't been hurt financially by GTM or bought parts from them.......I did research and stayed away. all I saw were complaints, horrible customer service, bad parts, missing parts then that whole group buy fiasco. yea i'm too smart and care too much about my money to donate to Sam/GTM's pockets.

good day :tiphat:

Yea you are right, they are not...im not coming down on GAMMA per say...but it SURE LOOKS BAD that they hired back the person from the old business who screwed so many over. It makes it look like a scam...dirty business, surely you can see that Most businesses, when a subordinate, commits an act of in justice, slander, or bad practice, they sever all ties. I don't see subway hiring jared back as just a sandwich maker

You are 1000% right. I thought Sam would of been more in the background but I understand not why he is their CTO after all it is his products and he knows them best. As for Jared his action's trump Sam action's. But I get the point.

Gamma shouldn't have Sam answering the phones instead let Pablo or Dave answer then phones. Sam should be in the background.

Fixed.

There are shops in Dubai that are still waiting on 6 figures worth of parts from Sam.

Warpeacelove, Black betty said it best. Just stop you look absolutely ridiculous.

Bullitt - few months ago(possibly years now can't keep track of dates that well anymore it's been so damn long) you were adamant that Sam n GTM were slowly making things right and on track to release the turbo kit to those on the lists. Slowly but surely you said they would come. Is this what you meant by Sam making things write slowly and to stop putting him down and fueling the fire with negative comments? Sam has only declared bankruptcy and changed the name to Gamma. That is all Sam has done SINCE YOU said he was gonna make it right. When is enough, enough?

Why is anyone bashing the negative comments towards gtm from dissatisfied customers (not even customers they were literally just robbed of their money with no intention of a kit ever being delivered to them)? If they choose to go online and vent and share their experience then by all means they have every right to do so. It's not SILLY at all. It's very helpful and could steer potential VICTIMS away from the scheme.

Sam is a thief and a liar. That means bad for business. The company that chooses to go to business with a person of that character is no better. They have the same objective as Sam.

The real question should be why are people (albeit very few) helping this pathetic company and man build up his business again after robbing this community of thousands of dollars? Are they getting kickbaks from this or something? They would have to be an absolute phucking moron to believe the dumb chit or they are somehow involved in the scheme. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..... fool me going on almost 2 years later with the same bs? Sit the phuck down. They have been banned from myg37 and the370. To whoever this shoe fits, lace them up.

Then if you are going to keep going on about how Sam is just a bad person please go get in line with the lawsuit that he more than likely will declare bankruptcy on and then NOT have to pay any of you jack sh!t..

I understand the point of integrity in the business world lol I sell for a living a lot like Todd with Vivid Racing. I have to sell to people to put food on my plate. The most consistent way to keep business is have a strong customer service reputation. If that is non-existant and then you start pulling shady moves, yeah you shouldn't have much to do with a company, yet Sam has a bit to do with Gamma Motors now.
Since Sam is not the owner of GTM nor is he the owner nor handles any financials nor business operations for Gamma Motors. He simply was brought in to research the products and produce them. If he even screws around with Gamma Motors a little they will more than likely boot Sam out of the company. Not only that I guarantee that in his Job offer/Employment Contact there are strict guidelines that Sam now has to abide by.

As a business, and I'm sure bullitt can agree, is when taking on a risk you have to make sure you have your *** covered. I'm sure there is some sort of Shotgun clause in his contract to where if any sort of issue happens like last time that Gamma Motors is not held liable nor has any relation to the issue.

If Sam fukcs up again well then that is on Sam and will have yet another Law suit on his hands. If he wants to keep fukcing up his life, then let him. He will eventually have a big enough amount of lawsuits that he will have everything taken from him and chances are put in Jail.

But do NOT discredit a new company for trying to make things right with a problem it did not create (talk about trying to appease the community, so what their product is more expensive, work a deal with the V3) and trying to expand their business by simply USING sam in the process to be able to sell and distribute in the product here in California. Go ahead and look up how hard it is to be able to create any sort of business here in CA. It is damn near impossible. You have to jump through 12 Flaming hoops over 12 buses on fire on a BMX bike with no ramp. Get the picture???
They are trying to help you guys out but they cant literally just give parts away that they did not legally enter into a contractually financial binding agreement. They would go bankrupt fixing Sams sh!t
If you are really worried about buying products from the company, do NOT talk to Sam, get the recording of the conversation with the rep emailed to you (almost all calls to corportations now are recorded and/or monitored whether they tell you or not base on state laws) Get the invoice number on the phone, get the persons name and any sort of corporation alias they go by. Get all the information you need to feel safe that if anything goes wrong you have material to refer to not just a fukcing phone number to call and complain to sam who wont return your calls. There are ways to make sure your *** is covered now-a-days.

IF the company becomes tainted and Sam either fukcs them over or goes under due to the rep that is their problem and new the risk going into the situation.

If you are at all offended or disagree with anything I have to say above.. YOU BELONG IN THE LAWSUIT SO PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT HOW SAM IS A BAD GUY AND PREVIOUS SITUATIONS REGARDING SAM THE SOLUTION TO THE PREVIOUS SITUATION IS THE LAWSUIT AND HOPE YOU GET PAID IN 20 YEARS!!!! :tiphat:



Just don't talk to Sam, Ask to talk to Pablo or Dave instead. Make Same non-existant. Why even deal with him? As for the product, the product was good except for cracked manifolds, of which are upgraded in the V3, so hence why not try and work a deal for the V3's for people looking to still get their kit with a downpayment and WILLING to work with Gamma Motors

Have them get in line with the lawsuit.

The buyer backed out because he was trying to retrofit a G37 kit to a 350Z and didn't want to spend the added money to modify.

The parts that came over to complete the kit came over long after GTM dissolved and Gamma hadn't officially opened for business. So Sam took care of us on what he owed in good faith and is continuing to make an effort to pay back the rest.

There is no alliance here, there is no loyalty to GTM or Sam. I am simply here to sell parts, which feeds my family and a complete stage 1 kit is what I have. As I said before I am and advocate for my customers, not the manufacturer. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have much business or any food to put on the table. So if the buyer has a problem, he deals with me and I deal with Gamma. Plain and simple.

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What Gamma Motors is doing is business and they are trying to be nice to the previous issues that Sam had. If they aren't doing it to your potential or liking then please stand in line with the Lawsuit and wait for Sam to refund you through a court of law.

What I was addressing as silly is the threats, the wishes for someone to get hurt or to try and personally ruin someone's life. We are adults here and should act that way.

So now you are calling myself, birdman and bullitt (to name a few) liars and thieves and are somehow affiliated with Sam's poor business practices? Did I read that correctly?

Don't hate the player hate the game and if you can't change the rules of the game or how the game works, work around the game.

player = Sam
game= him taking $$$ for parts and not delivering.

Take Sam out of the equation and just don't order from him specifically. Simple as that. If you decide not to work with Gamma Motors on whatever your issue is and you just want to bash and or ruin Sam in the wrong way and not go about it the right way by getting in line in the Lawsuit; then you are hatin' just to hate.

And now for trying to explain how everything is working to the emotionally and past scenario scar ridden minds, Todd, Mike and I are the bad guys? :ugh2: :bowrofl:

Haters gonna Hate. lmao :gtfo2::tup:

This is ridiculous. Obviously there is a divide here, no point in arguing with each other, there is nothing to gain from it. I'm not attacking anyone, but lets not generalize and start going after one another's throats

Bottom line, give people what they paid for, don't hide behind "business is business" excuses to exclude yourself from doing the right thing. If you do, don't expect to be respected for it.

I totally agree here and would appreciate it IF we could continue without that type of language as it doesn't help any, But understandable under the circumstances.

I don't want to intervene here as YOU all know my feelings about the total screwed up situation.

I would like this to continue peacefully or unless AK just decides to close it.

You didn't answer my question. Who is backing the so called "standard warranty" that comes with the kit you're selling?! It's an honest question because I'm curious and I think potential buyers would be as well!

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I feel for you guys on the SC and turbo kits.
But im out a motor and a stroker engine. paid in full.
Sam has assured me it getting built . ( I know who is building the engines for him and Sam has been telling me the truth ).
Not sure about your stuff , but im still hoping for me or its going to be 30.000.00 dollar loss to me. To date ive spend about 50.000.00 with GTM, everything comes shipped very late but he has always delivered the parts.
Its a long way to go down and see him from Toronto to his place.


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well it's Gamma now and its down the street from you lol

Gamma Motors

1920 S. Rochester Ave #104

Ontario Ca. 91761

orrrrrr it's in Cali?

it's a scam.

I hope you get your parts man that's a lot of cash to be out.

If I read correctly earlier you stated something along the lines to stop bashing sam n gtm and let bygone be bygone? If you're trying to spin this to some sort of positive outcome for Sam with the community doing all the work(to possibly start ordering parts from him or company) so that he can "prove" himself then absolutely yes you read correct. Buying stolen goods from someone who's been continously using other people's money to pay off the previous debt he owes is just as bad as the thief. There is no more chances for him as there shouldn't be. The moderators explained it just as well as Black Betty did.

Enough is enough. The out of country investors are either absolute fools to not have done research and realize the disaster here or are in on the scam.

Also would lilke to add that my statement was written before i read ur post where you take the responsibility and ur customers go thru ypu instead of sam. Even so, good luck. Sam has biten off almost every hand thay feeds him (almost ).

So why are you still doing business with them?

Yea that's Ontario California

Don't hate the player hate the game. Absolutely love this and agree 100%. But in that lifestyle you would NEVER get fooled once, let alone the hundreds of people he screwed over.

Im not understanding why there is such a divide here? Gamma is no way responsible for GTMs bad business practices, yet it seems that they are honoring some of GTMs old promises. As stated earlier, they can't follow through with all of GTMs delinquent orders. They can't and shouldn't be held responsible for what Sam and GTM did to everyone (myself included). It was a really bad idea to hire Sam. Pick up GTMs product line sure, but there are plenty of people who could do what Sam is doing. We can all agree with that, no?

Some of you are looking like fools attacking the others who are just telling it like it is. NO ONE is sticking up for Sam or GTM. What they did was wrong and deserve everything the book can throw at them. Bullit is giving some insight on whats really going on, so why is he the bad guy? Just because he isn't walking with a pitchfork? If Gamma is doing what they said they are going to do, and thats not take money on an order until its ready to ship out, then good for them. It will take some time before most of us will order from them, which is very much understood. I for one would feel better if they canned Sam asap. He has no business in the game anymore. He should be in jail.

I for one don't plan on ordering anything from them. They have nothing that I'm interested in that someone else doesn't make.

I bought a stage 1.5 kit unused from a member of the forum. Since then I´ve talked to GTM/Gamma on a few occasions for a number of things. I wouldn´t exactly call it a backing of standard warranty, but I´ve needed a couple of things (fittings and tune file) and Sam has helped me with them.

I am not saying I would get a supercharger replaced by them if something went wrong. then again, i didn´t expect that buying it "second hand" kit. However, a certain level of support can still be had from GTM/Gamma.

Anyway, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in (maybe more like 1 cent)

it was a joke based on Zelim being in Ontario Canada...ca....get it?

I know where it really is lol

people in here are too serious sometimes.

There's a reason why I haven't gotten screwed over by Sam. Even if I ever had a question for Sam I would go to Andrew first.
Now that there are other people to deal with it could be something different. The only way to tell how this GTM/GAMMA partnership will work out is to let time take its course.

I have always been partial to having a twin SC one day

If you stand behind your quote, no one would ever wait to see how GTM/GAMMA works out. Once you screw someone over that's it. There is no 2nd chance. What kind of a "player" gives out 2nd chances?

Im not talking about Sam.. lol There are other people you can order from with GAMMA.

And I ment that to actually see how the GAMMA and GTM partnership will turn out whether it will work or dissolve , is that only time will tell.

[QUOTE=Z eliminator;3321369]I feel for you guys on the SC and turbo kits.
But im out a motor and a stroker engine. paid in full.
Sam has assured me it getting built . ( I know who is building the engines for him and Sam has been telling me the truth ).
Not sure about your stuff , but im still hoping for me or its going to be 30.000.00 dollar loss to me. To date ive spend about 50.000.00 with GTM, everything comes shipped very late but he has always delivered the parts.
Its a long way to go down and see him from Toronto to his place


Maybe me n you can take a trip out there together sometime:driving:

If Sam wasn't with Gamma now. I don't think we would be discussing this. The discussion could be going the other way. On how Gamma is helping out. Who knows. One thing for sure. Sam left a bad taste in alot of mouths that ain't never getting washed out. :barf: Some people are dead set against him. It was once said that you could do good all of your life. BUT screw up one time. And that is was they will remember you for. In Sam's case. Multiple times. And that's what he will be remembered for.

I purchased my GTM Stage 1 kit from Vivid Racing in December 2014. . They had 2 kits at the time but only one complete kit, waiting on the SC if I'm not mistaken on the 2nd kit for a G37. My kit came complete ( 370z)with no missing parts. I have a roadster , so not everything line up perfectly, but Todd was very helpful with my questions and concerns. I have since purchased more items from Vivid Racing and will continue to due so. Good company!
BTW, my supercharger performs very well and I have almost 8000 miles on it.

Let's just say for the sake of not bringing his name up, Gamma will uphold the warranty on my kit.

Hmmm that's interesting.

Because, as I mentioned several times he has made good on what he owes us by replenishing the missing parts to the kit I have. Also by offering future kits at an added discount (that will be passed on to the buyer) to pay off the monetary debt that he owes since his funds are obviously depleted.

Could you elaborate a little more on "who" are the people he's paying off his debt?

Potential future customers who had nothing to do with the failed group buy are gonna get the discounts? Or are you saying if those same people in the GB buy another kit from Gamma they'll be given the discount?

For those of you in the community who have suffered a loss due to Sam/GTM believe me, you have my sympathy. I never once took sides with GTM on the wrongdoings to the people in this or any other forum. I cannot offer you any help in your situation and I also do not condone what has transpired. My feelings about the entire situation mirror those of the ones affected. My advice is the same as Bullitt and Birdman, get in on the lawsuit and be prepared to make a case. You deserve justice.

The most level headed posts in this thread have been from Bullitt and Birdman and I both comprehend and agree with what they are saying.

My position here as a vendor sponsor is and always will be to support my customers, offer the best pricing I can give and follow that up with good customer support. I am here to represent the company I work for, the parts that we sell and I am proud to be an employee at Vivid Racing for the past 2 years. I have been working on this forum for about 7 months so I came in way at the tail end of all that happened.

My position to those who are simply here to chime in with words of hate and disdain for a human being be it Sam, myself, my company or the owner(s) of my company is where I will draw the line. I do not come into your house and spew accusations, foul language, hate or judgement. You don't know me and I don't know you and for that very reason I will respect you until you give me a reason not to.

It is not my place to comment back to those who have attacked me, my company or the owner as I choose to remain professional because I am on the clock and this forum is where I work. With that being said I am here to sell parts, I have a kit, I have the backing of Gamma and I have generous discounts to offer on twin turbo kits through Gamma motorsports. I also have a wide range of vendors for many, many parts for this platform and the rest of the popular vehicles.

I am going to bow out now and thank those who have supported me in the past and who will continue to support me in the future. To those with a venomous tongue who want to argue, I suggest you look in the mirror and ask yourself if it's something you believe in with all of your heart or are you just passing the time. If you believe with all of your heart that your feelings need to be construed this way then by all means give me a call and let's talk about how I or Vivid Racing wronged you and I will make a valiant effort to make things right. I am a stand up guy who treats others the way I want to be treated and I believe in the law of karma which can build a healthy fear in how I treat others. For the latter, perhaps you should find a new hobby.

I think you misunderstood what i wrote.

You bought all ur parts that's fine. We all know the mess Sam has made. But his lasts moments were of basically stealing money from people to try to pay off the next debt. He declared bankruptcyand most likely (judging by his own actions) knew exactly what he was doing. Hell, be probably started the Group Bug with the sole intention of defrauding everyone because he knew he was going bankrupt. Anything after that he was basically stealing and selling off making pure profit because he never had any intentions to do make it right.

You bought ur kit from a shady "vendor". Granted you paid in full his price it's basically like buying stolen goods. Maybe you got it at ur "discounted" price. That part is all good. Hell everyone wants to buy something for cheap or even getit for free. "Hot" items go FAST. But don't say we shouldn't gripe and give him all the hell he deserves and let's give these new guys a chance. Absolutely not. If ur implying we should let it all be in the past and THEN encourage us to try to do business with him, then yes. You are aiding this thief in taking more money by the "promotion" ur doing for him.

Last thing is i was wondering why it only seemed like you're the only vendor able to get items from sam and apparently now can sell off kits at discounted price. I believe you said he even gave u the go ahead to take helluva lot of orders. Was all peculiar until Chuck chimed in. It all makes sense now. So I stand by the statement. Lace them laces up!

Todd is a good guy, always answered my questions when i inquired. I don't doubt what he says.

But as always, emotions and anger and people trying to justify things are being mixed in a barrel and causing a lot more problems than needed.

Some people support what gamma is doing, some people don't because sam works for them. simple as that, once again let's not get carried away with attacking one another. The goal here is to act as a community and look out for one another.

All this needs to be is a discussion so that everyone is well informed.

For me, I think sam and gamma at the current time are morally and ethically wrong for the way that things are being done, and have been done in the past. That's all I'll say.

kumbaya...

I am a dealer, so I do get dealer prices, that would be how we make money. To say I was sold someone else's kit is hearsay if that's what you are implying.

I do support the griping and this whole thread but as a human being with a small amount of faith, I don't condone the griping taking an extreme swing to talking about hurting someone. Drag his name through the mud, tell everyone and their neighbor the story by all means, stand up and shout it from rooftops. Violence and hatred is not how I choose to handle things and like I said, cooler heads prevail. However there are those out there who have turned their attack away from GTM and Sam and attacked me, my company and the owners and it's completely uncalled for. Shame on you.

I am not encouraging you to do business with him, I am encouraging you to do business with me. I wish I could explain why other vendors can't seem to get Gammas kits. I can assume since we as a company have not taken the extreme swing approach with Sam while waiting for what was owed to us patiently, has paid off. See how that works? Cooler heads, prevailing all over the place.

In our transactions you pay me via PayPal or Credit Card, both allowing you the full ability to do a chargeback or dispute if things promised are not delivered. In EVERY. SINGLE. TRANSACTION. for a Gamma order I will only require a deposit until the item is boxed up with a label and I have a picture of it from Gamma with a message saying "ready to ship". At that time I will call and collect the balance and the item will ship. I am not taking pre-orders, I am not taking full payment by bank wire and I am not organizing a group buy. It's a one by one transaction and if I have to watch over Gamma like a hawk until the first 5 kits are received in good order, then that's what I will do. If you think I am that clueless in business, well then you obviously don't know me, my name is Todd, nice to meet you.

I've got no problem with you at all Todd. As I said my statement was written before i read of u taking responsibility for the orders in ur other post. That's pretty stand up of you. I just wanted to give you advice to be careful.

I do, however disagree with the dragging his name thru the mud. Violence? There are different kind of people in this world. People get killed or hurt for MUCH less. To each his own.
But hell yea. Like JWick said, we are a community that doesn't forget. Everyone should share their experience so we can make the best decision on who to spend our money with. Actually, it's better to let them gripe and drag his name thru the mud than someone going postal and literally dragging him thru the mud. He should be shamed and he should be ashamed of himself. The ones who chime in and thr original OP post were mostly of people who got screwed over by him. So I think it's only fair.

A thief is a thief. That's the lowest of low and to do it on the scale he did is absolutely horrible. There should be nothing of him here at all. Shame on the new company for hiring this thief knowing perfectly well who he is. There's more than enough evidence to support that. So that's what I meant by people still dealing or associating with anything to do with him.
I think it's a slap in the face to anyone who would contribute to, be it directly or indirectly a paycheck to sam. I wouldn't give them a dime knowing somehow sam might get paid off it.