Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel

Sorta off topic.....

My car is finally on the road again and running the way it should thanks to Z1 and a sh!t ton of money. I was going to do a write up but I didn't think anyone was interested. If there is enough interest I'll do a few paragraphs.

It is time. Start your thread.

gbrettin · 09-30-2015, 02:10 PM

For any new people that may have missed sticky thread, To all members: GTM = Gamma Motors, at the top:

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Thanks Trips for the post.

Sorry if I didn't get a chance to quickly reply and take control of the situation as I have been extremely busy. I am a person who has a lot of patience - everyone on the forum knows this. I have thick skin and I tolerate things way beyond any other admins in similar forums. As you know from this forum, it takes A LOT to get someone banned. I like to give someone benefit of the doubt and still give chance to come through. But when all those chances and my support toward a member or a company ends up being a huge issue and us (me and mods) spending countless hours cleaning up threads/removing post (where we could be spending that time with our family) and countless members hard earned money was put into jeopardy (I still don't know whether everyone got their money or part back), I will NOT bring that company back into my forum or anything to do with that company. The day I removed GTM/Sam from this forum, GTM/Sam is done from this forum. It doesn't matter whether the company has been renamed to Alpha or Beta or Gamma Motorsports -- it has no business coming back into my forum. I'm not a person who likes to go back and forth on things. I will take my time making a decision (my late decision to remove GTM/Sam etc) but once decided - it's final. There's no going back and forth.

I would like to warn and acknowledge everyone to refrain buying product from a company(GTM/Sam) we have banned on our forum. Do not discuss their products on our forum. If they have new products, you're welcome to buy from their website/other forums and discuss them in other Z forums etc or call manufacturer directly. DO NOT discuss that stuff here. We are not responsible for ANY money lost or engine blown or issues that you have with that product or company or person. As a matter of fact, we reserve the right to close/remove that thread and give you a warning for posting such thread/post.

I apologize if I sound harsh but I have lived though that nightmare. My mods and admins have lived though that nightmare. I'm not going through that again and that is my final word.

A. Kaiser
Admin
THE370Z.

Stolly08 · 09-30-2015, 02:26 PM

Sorry to hear about this man! Glad i got all my stuff before this all went down but at the same time it pisses me off BC I have a product that's getting a really bad name! Good luck man!

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Infidel · 09-30-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stolly08

Sorry to hear about this man! Glad i got all my stuff before this all went down but at the same time it pisses me off BC I have a product that's getting a really bad name! Good luck man!

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I had to fight tooth and nail to get Sam to send me everything, I even had my wife call and when that happens things change one way or the other. I bugged the sh!t out of Sam and with some help from a couple of guys at GTM and a lot of help from Andrew I finally got everything. But this was actually the EASY part of the journey.

Stolly08 · 09-30-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel

I had to fight tooth and nail to get Sam to send me everything, I even had my wife call and when that happens things change one way or the other. I bugged the sh!t out of Sam and with some help from a couple of guys at GTM and a lot of help from Andrew I finally got everything. But this was actually the EASY part of the journey.

Dang man! Ya everytime I'd call and ask about it he said, ahhh you don't need it your making enough power already! I even told him I just want it to throw on for numbers sake just to dyno it and see what it's capable of, not to run it all the time on that. He still didn't even want to sell it to me... So strange.

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Infidel · 09-30-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stolly08

Dang man! Ya everytime I'd call and ask about it he said, ahhh you don't need it your making enough power already! I even told him I just want it to throw on for numbers sake just to dyno it and see what it's capable of, not to run it all the time on that. He still didn't even want to sell it to me... So strange.
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Not really, they just don't have any. If I'm in business to make money I would sell you what ever you wanted. Sam thinks that everytime he's honest someone somewhere kills a kitten.

Stolly08 · 09-30-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel

Not really, they just don't have any. If I'm in business to make money I would sell you what ever you wanted. Sam thinks that everytime he's honest someone somewhere kills a kitten.

Haha true that! So he still works there tho? I thought when they changed names etc he was canned?

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birdman71 · 09-30-2015, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel

I had to fight tooth and nail to get Sam to send me everything, I even had my wife call and when that happens things change one way or the other. I bugged the sh!t out of Sam and with some help from a couple of guys at GTM and a lot of help from Andrew I finally got everything. But this was actually the EASY part of the journey.

When the wife gets involved that is never a good thing for the challenger of said wife.

Sad for the hassle though.. Hopefully everything fits correctly too. From what I understand sometimes some customization to the kit or the engine bay has to be done to fit the kit

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Originally Posted by Stolly08

Dang man! Ya everytime I'd call and ask about it he said, ahhh you don't need it your making enough power already! I even told him I just want it to throw on for numbers sake just to dyno it and see what it's capable of, not to run it all the time on that. He still didn't even want to sell it to me... So strange.

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Sam wasn't all there for a while with that brain problem and everything that happened was unfortunate. He probably isn't selling anymore products right now cause of how under he is on orders and money taken and orders not sent. So any money that he still has (if any or all was spent) from that is being used to fix things plus money from Sam's personal funds for the screw up. Other than that its Gamma that is taking the orders and making things right and I'm sure Sam will be paying them out of pocket. With the messages from above, yeah they have no moral or legal right to fulfill or credit GTM's orders and purchases, yet are doing so. That begs the question on why they are helping GTM so much
There has to be something in it for them. I would try and talk to Gamma about getting the 88mm

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

The issue now isn't shipping, but rather Gamma is blackmailing GTM's past customers/victims into forking over more $$$! for the parts that they had paid for! Someone correct me if I'm wrong

There is a special place in hell for these guys.

tiller · 09-30-2015, 09:02 PM

Guys I hope this thread does not get shut down,this needs to be talked about,it shouldn't be a thread to bash on people just make them aware,I hope gamma comes thru with our stuff but as of now I am out 8500$ us,that's alot when exchanged to Canadian funds,I believe in good n bad karma for people who do right and for people who do wrong,right now that's all I can hope for,I just want my kit and to start the build on my z

jwick · 09-30-2015, 05:35 PM

That's no doubt but for one single piece and not a kit, it might be an option for some. I wouldn't give Sam or anyone that will into business with him a penny but I'm also not sitting with any of their parts on my car. Some have expensive kits needing replacement parts for.

DEpointfive0 · 09-30-2015, 05:35 PM

OP, sorry, I'm busy, couldn't read all of it.

$2200 and they'll give you a full kit? Or $2200 for remaining parts.

Either or, I can go with cash in hand and get what you need. Text me (31O)eight nine three-42O7

SolarO350Z · 10-01-2015, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

OP, sorry, I'm busy, couldn't read all of it.

$2200 and they'll give you a full kit? Or $2200 for remaining parts.

Either or, I can go with cash in hand and get what you need. Text me (31O)eight nine three-42O7

I've paid in full when they were GTM. I've paid 7k roughly a 1 1/2 years ago. They sent me all the kit except the SC and piping. Now they are Gamma they want 2200 more to get me my parts which I paid in full for. Saying the kits new price is 9k. This for a 350Z kit. Stillen sells a SC kit for my car with everything for 7's.i can get a TT kit for 8-9k else where. These prices are jacked up. I'm not paying a dime more plus if I did I can't trust it to get it.

Infidel · 10-01-2015, 07:07 AM

Laws don't protect me from the unjust because the unjust ignore laws and screw innocent people. Instead, laws protect the unjust from me who, without the fear of jail, would dispense justice with my hands without the need of a legal system. True justice comes from the end of a barrel. It's a shame that when you've been swindled to this degree with undeniable evidence in your favor that you are forced to expend your time and resources and gamble with the legal system. Trust me when I say I know criminals, for the last 19 years I've dealt with these people. Jails are littered with these scumbags and when they get out they go right back to their next scam, they only stop when they try to screw the wrong victim and find theirselves decomposing in a ditch.

GZ3 · 10-01-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel

Laws don't protect me from the unjust because the unjust ignore laws and screw innocent people. Instead, laws protect the unjust from me who, without the fear of jail, would dispense justice with my hands without the need of a legal system. True justice comes from the end of a barrel. It's a shame that when you've been swindled to this degree with undeniable evidence in your favor that you are forced to expend your time and resources and gamble with the legal system. Trust me when I say I know criminals, for the last 19 years I've dealt with these people. Jails are littered with these scumbags and when they get out they go right back to their next scam, they only stop when they try to screw the wrong victim and find theirselves decomposing in a ditch.

absolutely!

DEpointfive0 · 10-01-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SolarO350Z

I've paid in full when they were GTM. I've paid 7k roughly a 1 1/2 years ago. They sent me all the kit except the SC and piping. Now they are Gamma they want 2200 more to get me my parts which I paid in full for. Saying the kits new price is 9k. This for a 350Z kit. Stillen sells a SC kit for my car with everything for 7's.i can get a TT kit for 8-9k else where. These prices are jacked up. I'm not paying a dime more plus if I did I can't trust it to get it.

$2200 is better than not having ANY kit, no?

And I'm probably one of the most trustworthy people on this forum (at least I believe in my own mind) so I can go pick it up for you, confirm everything is there. Then turn around and sell the whole kit

09-30-2015, 02:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Stolly08 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Atlanta Posts: 75 Drives: 2007 Nissan 350z Rep Power: 13	Sorry to hear about this man! Glad i got all my stuff before this all went down but at the same time it pisses me off BC I have a product that's getting a really bad name! Good luck man! Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk __________________ 2007 - Carbon Silver - 6 Speed Manual - Nissan 350Z - Vanessa GTM STAGE 1 SUPERCHARGER 500 HP

09-30-2015, 05:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465057	Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma That's no doubt but for one single piece and not a kit, it might be an option for some. I wouldn't give Sam or anyone that will into business with him a penny but I'm also not sitting with any of their parts on my car. Some have expensive kits needing replacement parts for. __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

09-30-2015, 05:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
DEpointfive0 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17152	OP, sorry, I'm busy, couldn't read all of it. $2200 and they'll give you a full kit? Or $2200 for remaining parts. Either or, I can go with cash in hand and get what you need. Text me (31O)eight nine three-42O7 GaleForce likes this. __________________ Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from? ( Click to show/hide ) NSFW due to language:

10-01-2015, 07:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
Infidel Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Central Florida Posts: 457 Drives: 2013 GM 6MT Rep Power: 15	Laws don't protect me from the unjust because the unjust ignore laws and screw innocent people. Instead, laws protect the unjust from me who, without the fear of jail, would dispense justice with my hands without the need of a legal system. True justice comes from the end of a barrel. It's a shame that when you've been swindled to this degree with undeniable evidence in your favor that you are forced to expend your time and resources and gamble with the legal system. Trust me when I say I know criminals, for the last 19 years I've dealt with these people. Jails are littered with these scumbags and when they get out they go right back to their next scam, they only stop when they try to screw the wrong victim and find theirselves decomposing in a ditch. GZ3, hjo1078, Rusty and 4 others like this.

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09-30-2015, 09:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 370 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 15	Guys I hope this thread does not get shut down,this needs to be talked about,it shouldn't be a thread to bash on people just make them aware,I hope gamma comes thru with our stuff but as of now I am out 8500$ us,that's alot when exchanged to Canadian funds,I believe in good n bad karma for people who do right and for people who do wrong,right now that's all I can hope for,I just want my kit and to start the build on my z

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