But why the **** would sam post some **** like this on their fb page then. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10...98baa71d3c.jpg
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This will be their downfall before they even get off the ground. Hope those investors have eggs in more than one basket.

He only made good with vendors. A lot of them were also waiting over a year. Sure make good with the vendors why? Cause they have loyal customers to help Gamma grow. Priority. Screw everyone else and the GB people. I would like to know if GB people got their kits or refunds?

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Me neither, I'm not involved but I can understand where every side is coming from and the logic and reasoning behind it.

Sam does need to be put on blast, but not completely harassed and bashed and honestly the best way to do so would be with a Small Claims Lawsuit, if GAMMA does not start offering some sort of incentive to pay more money into their products, cause not only does it show him what he did was wrong and cannot just get away with it by another company trying to fix his mistakes. If Gamma say offers the piping and SC, to the one poster here with the SC issue, for $2200 but offers upgraded manifolds or some sort of upgrade to their current kit, that seems logical. But a price raise and then no incentive plus being out money currently on a kit that is no where or partially found is a rip off
I don't how healthy Sam is currently or know how much Sam understands that he is still 100% liable for everything that happened with GTM, but I do hope that he is doing better.

Honestly customers who purchased into the group buy or bought GTM parts and lost their money have three options:
1. Small claims suit to get your money back (could take multiple years or end in bankruptcy to where he doesn't pay any of it lol)
OR
2. See about working a deal with the new company for an incentive of some sort, literally ask them "What can you offer me to earn me as a loyal customer besides taking over GTM's mistake?" (and offering to fix it for more money cough cough). See what they can do for you. Free shipping even at this point for some people who don't have a kit even would be nice.

3. Custom build the rest of your kit


For the customers out there that are complaining about paying more money, just remember that a true business model is "Spend money to Make Money" (look @ investors Careers lol) Not only is GAMMA having to deal with normal business operations (costs money), but also with the purchase of GTM (costs money), the purchasing of an increased amount of parts (costs money) for these GTM customers that were not correctly giving product in the first place, and then shipping, worker's cost etc. etc. if you bring in every little thing they actually have to pay for for everything they are trying to help with, I'm sure they are in over their head and are trying to recoup money. Sadly just not doing it in the right way to where it fixes what GTM has made a mess. Paraphrasing what bullitt said if they keep down this road they will not have a big enough market group with this investment they made with buying GTM and eventually have problems themselves.

Can only go on so long just spending money without making anything.
Yes it is a lot of money we are talking on both sides of the spectrum, customer and manufacture.

:shakes head::shakes head::shakes head:

Sam is still trying to advertise. He is the developer of the products still from what I understand. Notice how GTM and GAMMA motors are listed.

Honestly for people who owe a couple grand this should be an incentive that GAMMA is giving should be the V3 turbo kits

say you owe like 3k on the kit but they offer you the incentive V3 kit for 4k.

THAT is how they should be running this (as an example with numbers). Again Paraphrasing Bullitt's novel, If they did an incentive program correctly and marketed correctly to these unhappy GTM customers, they would pay off the GTM debt and break even in a 100 kits or so. The math makes sense.

I did read your earlier post,I was just asking if you urself treat a customer as Sam has,my worry is are the new people that are so called employing him being infected by his work practices.Iam apart of this thread to help others not end up in my situation,and this not the only way I will do it

Sam has been trying to make good with us. He sent us the missing parts to the SC kit I've sat on for over a year, he's giving us incentives to sell more TT kits that I am now not allowed to even post as sales thread on here.

If everyone here really took the time to read Bullit's explanation you would realize a couple things. Going after Sam in Bankruptcy court is your only option. Taking matters into your own hands and trying to physically harm someone after announcing it on a public forum..?.. c'mon you're silly and obviously talking from something you sit on. Taking matters into your own hands and try to publicly post his personal information all over the internet so he can be harassed..?.. again, silly, what gain will you get from that? Blaming the investors for bad business created by GTM..?.. Do you think they looked at GTM and ripped their shirts open and said "have no fear, we will save the day" and decided to invest. Or would you think that they look at the product and agree that it's a quality product that there is a demand for which makes it a good investment?

The part about Sam being listed as the owner makes plenty of sense if you take the time to comprehend what Bullit is trying to educate you on.

Oh and vendors act as the advocate for the customer, not the manufacturer. Any time my customers have a problem with a product I answer their calls, I reply to their e-mails and I facilitate the remedy to the situation. So for Sam to choose to make things right with a vendor first while he is tied up in litigation with a bunch of people is the only way Gammas products will leave their shop.

I am in the business of making money and I get that done by selling parts. When a vendor is hindering me from doing so by lying, cheating or stealing, they go away very quickly. When I am filled with false promises, ignored and every transaction becomes a painful mess, they go away quickly. I have vendors I simply wont subject my customers to, if you ask me for it I will tell exactly why I wont sell it to you. We work under the premise that everything is our fault when something goes wrong, that the middle man becomes the manufacturer when something goes wrong and on occasion I have been personally attacked or blamed. I love what I do though and I need all of you to help me put food on my plate.

Gamma has a huge hill to climb and those standing in the way with their problems with GTM have a right to demand answers and get things resolved but it has to be done through the proper channels. It can't be fueled by hate and threats and emotions.

That's just my two cents. I mean no offense because I have lived a life where I have been in situations like this but what really gets under my skin is the people who come on here to just join in on the negative. Stop putting fuel on the fire. Nothing gets accomplished under a hot head, cooler minds will prevail. Work together, get in on the lawsuit and build your case to get your justice.

Todd

I just want my kit that I ordered and payed in full in November of 2014 with no idea a bankruptcy was happening,I want my kit so I can continue to buy parts from vendors such as vivid and others to build AN AMAZING 370Z

Amen brother! I really do sympathize with you. Heck I would love for them to refund your money and everyone else's so I can get rid of the G37 kit I have. I just don't know how much you can bleed a rock!

I just want the product I payed for,iam not trying to bleed a rock,I don't see it like that,I wana buy stuff from all vendors and me and the others from our car club make our z's n g's stand out from the rest,its a real shame tho cuz what's happening to me his holding back from alot of business from where iam from that could help put food on everyone's table,right now the foods off my family's table due to certain people,and I will NOT be slowed down,unless u have a deal on vented rotors lol:icon14:

Dear myg37.com valued members,

Gamma Motors is solely owned and managed by Amin Al-Kayal. I have attached a copy of the business license certificate which can be verified with the city of Ontario.

Sam (Samer Zawahra) has been hired recently as a CTO in Gamma Motors due to his wide range of experience in the forced induction systems and the huge knowledge in GTM products but he doesn't own anything in the company nor does he manage the business.

Gamma Motors started actively in August 1st this year and delivered a lot of Twin-turbo and supercharger kits on time to its new clients (Distributors and end-customers) and got a lot of good feedback.

Our kits are available and the best in the market. To prove our ability to deliver on our commitments we are happy to only get paid upon delivery of the order.

We also sell through a wide network of distributors and resellers such as Concept Z who will be your commercial and technical interface.

The usual payment options such as credit cards, Paypal and business escrow are still available.

Our latest twin-turbo system (V3) is available as of Monday October 5th, 2015 on promotional price for a limited time.

See the attached Business License guys.

* the370z.com ,

are you going to give these guys what they paid for, or not ? That would be a good start. Actions > Words.

NO ONE said to go and get physical...i was sharing a personal story about a friend. Like a "you just cant go around screwing people" kind of thing

And as far as a little internet motivation, to light a fire under thier ***? I dont see what the big deal is, Im not on ANY VENDOR'S SIDE, ever..., My loyalty will ALWAYS BE TO MY Z BRETHREN. And if getting the word out of someones shady dealings to save another victim is silly, then i guess im silly as ****

Jay, I copied and paste the content GammaMotors wrote on the MyG37 forum.

Exactly

Lol g37 Admin black betty had the best reponse after that was posted from Gamma

The new owner and I share names...

He lives not to far from me and doesn't put up with much. Funny and spot on post.

haha what a great response from an admin

We all definitely understand that and I would too bro but whom did you pay? GTM or Gamma?
You bought the kit from GTM so GTM is who you need to get your kit or money from... Not Gamma... So get in line with the bankruptcy suit.
My parents have a 6000sq ft house that my dad designed himself and the shingles they bought had a 30year warranty... They are crumpled up and practically destroyed after 13-15yrs, not even barely half the warrantied life! So they go to call the company and low and behold noone answers, and with a Google search guess what, companies gone under and they put their lawyer on the case and he pretty much said its a get in line bankruptcy case, if you ever get the money from it it'll be 20years from now!
These sorts of shitty things happen all over the world we just hope we aren't the unlucky ones but sometimes you are.

So I'd say Gamma who has no legal responsibility of setting GTMs issues right are doing a major favor by offering the rest of OPs parts for a deal and you should try to work out some sort of deal yourself with them.


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What is the point of discussing this any further? I hope you guys get something for you money. Good luck with that. GTM/Gamma Motors needs no more thread time in my opinion. AK370Z was right for doing what he did here. Enough is enough. Good luck to them. Until they unscrew the pooch, they are done. It will never happen though.

Hmm...I wonder why your buyer backed out. Be honest.

I left a question in your ad regarding the "standard warranty" offered on the kit. Who will honor the warranty now that GTM is completely dissolved?

Odd thing is though gammas name says forum sponcer.

It seems that people who are still advocating for giving GTM/Gammamotors another chance are forgetting (or don't know) that the 370Z community is not the first to be screwed over by Sam. They pulled this same $hit in the 350Z and the G37 communities long ago. Black Betty's response is absolutely spot on.

I, for one, have no interest in Sam's health. In fact, I hope his health continues to decline. That is the least he deserves for his actions. I am also glad to see that the products he is developing are not permitted to be sold or even advertised on this forum. Props to AK for sticking to his guns once he made the decision to ban the disgusting waste of life that is Sam.

These guys don't deserve a second or even a tenth chance (or however the fuck many times it's been - probably hundreds of customers). I am interested to hear results from any forum members who got screwed over by the GB or otherwise. I am not interested in anyone trying to promote this new company because they don't deserve it. We can talk all day long about what they should do to make things right, but we all know that won't happen. If it does happen, then and only then, should we be discussing whether it went far enough and if they deserve any future business from our community.

Think you need to reread that! ;) It says "Former Sponsor".

I don't think you get the point. It's a new company under new ownership. Sam just happens to be an employee...

So if you commit a felony in a car then sell it to me. Should I be held responsible for your felonies because I bought the car from you? Would it be fair to put me in prison because I bought your getaway car?

This is the problem! A lot of you are in here making judgements on a company that so far is sending out kits at a massive loss to fix an issue that they didn't create... But because you all become emotional about it... Everyone should jump on the band wagon of burn the mother down??? I think not! You know what if you guys would actually call the place up talk to the manager and Sam show your invoices that you paid and negotiate with them you might get either a credit to your kit or your kit all together! But that would call for being level headed and calm. It would call for pushing out solutions to the company and bartering in order to get what you are owed.

But hey don't listen to the person giving you guys inside details and clarity on the situation... Don't listen to the guy who worked with Sam and GTM for over 5 years being the development test bed for a lot of products from the old GTM... Nope I never had daily and weekly conversations with Sam... Nope I didn't help countless members get what was rightfully owed them or help them find a path to resolution.

Stop blaming Gamma for the GTM failure... The only thing they share is the intellectual property that Sam sold them...

:rolleyes:

I actually do get your point. You have made your position on the matter quite clear. I just don't happen to agree with you :twocents: :tiphat:

I have plenty of responses to your post right there, but I'll just leave it at this: I don't have a dog in this fight, so my emotions are in check, I can assure you. I agree with the OP's point about overpriced kits, and I agree with Chuck here. The fact of the matter is that Gamma is tainted by their association with Sam and GTM. That means different things to different customers and potential customers.

This thread should remain open for any forum members to post their experiences in resolving or attempting to resolve any disputes they had with GTM and/or Gamma. You certainly fall into that category, so I respect your right to post about your experiences.

If you ALLOW the felon continue to drive your car after "he sold it to you" then yes you should be responsible. Which is what gamma is doing.

They're being blamed because Sam is still involved, what is so hard to get about that? He is involved, point blank. Who cares about how it has to go business wise and on paper.

Where are all the customers with these kits that they supposedly already shipped out? How come the only ones popping up are the ones with complaints?

One guy just posted that he bought his kit as recently as last year, he still has nothing. And the guy that took his money ( SAM ) is an active employee of Gamma, is he not ? Are they supposed to just believe he doesn't have a say in the business just because they say so? Then where did that money go ?

Not everyone is rolling in cash, losing 6 grand and being asked for 2 more grand is a kick in the gut for a lot of people. You can't blame people for getting emotional, they have every right too. Gamma should be trying to appease this, it's not all about being nice and clean on paper, they should be trying to earn the trust of the community.

Business wise Gamma may not be responsible, but MORALLY if they bought GTM's intellectual property with the knowledge of Sam's ********, and are attempting to get more money out of the customers Sam scammed then why should anyone trust them?

If they weren't asking for an additional $2000+ then I'm sure people wouldn't be as outraged as they are.

Get the kits to the guys who have been waiting and then maybe people would be more willing to believe.

These are just honest questions that a lot of people, some of whom are good friends of mine, deserve answers too before they can just trust that gamma will make good on new promises.

Damn they work fast.

that was quick!

I agree with bullitt5897 wholeheartedly. GammaMotors is getting treated unfairly due to their affiliation with Sam.

Sam is working for them and I know that burns deep in your core. I understand. But think rationally. What about hanging out with your friends and then you'll get pulled over and instead of the friend who committed the crime get apprehended but instead you'll got arrested due to being guilty by association. Is that fair for the friends to get arrested especially if they weren't aware of his action's.

I bought a TT Kit from GammaMotors this Summer fellas and paid them in increments via Paypal and CC. My Kit was delivered last week sometime. Everything arrived, all parts was there, nothing missing.

So Gamma is asking for more money from those that already order a kit from GTM so they can get the kit? That's really ****** up. I respect everyone's opinion yet still i don't get how there are some that still defend the guy and the company after all they have done. :shakes head::shakes head:

It's perfectly fair. And what makes you think they were unaware? I don't believe that for a second. They hired Sam knowing full well the situation he was in. This action in and of itself speaks volumes as to the type of management that Gamma has. IMO.

Glad they have treated at least one customer fairly :tiphat:

wait let me get this straight....so SAM from GTM went bankrupt and sold the business to GAMMA. And screwed some good people in the process..... Then later GAMMA hires SAM, and now the same kits sold under GTM that were never delivered, are now BY GAMMA asking for the extra money???

I guarantee the company who "purchased" them know what Sam has done and what he's about.

sam sucked at running a business so to keep it going he let someone who can run it step in. he's still there, he's still a part of it, kinda hard to move on with the "problem" still as part of the picture.

also you got a TT kit.....why does it say twin SC kit still? :stirthepot:

also I thought from what I read on the g37 forum they weren't even taking orders for the TT kit until October 5th? how did you receive one months ago?

I have no plans to go FI with any of my cars but if I did, I would not deal with GTM/Gamma. If Gamma is dumb enough to keep Sam on the payroll, be their public voice, have his name on the legal paperwork, &c, I don't expect them to remain solvent for very long. It just doesn't pass the sniff test. YMMV

GZ3 Let's be real here. GAMMAMOTORS isn't obligated nor responsible for the misdeed of GTM. There two separate entities.

But if Gamma opted to help out some folks then you have to give them credit but they are also at fault if they are seeking 2200 Extra from the past buyer.

I would let Sam know about that shi* today and that he needs to fix this gentleman's problem.

........like he did before? when GTM took a long list of people's pre-order money then never answered the phones, emails, etc...

:facepalm:

real gentleman.

FPenvy my profile not being updated is irrelevant bro. That is besides the point.

Keep Stirring the Pot. My question to you have you owe a Kit from GTM, were you a group buyer participant and were you impacted financially from these? Yes/No

Because I was, I just don't air mutherfcukers out. I handled my problem differently, Aight!

Lastly stop speaking without much validity, get the facts before you comment. Check my Built Thread on MyG37.com. Research my profile name. This is my 2nd Kit from Them. 1st was Twin SC (That is sold) next up TT Kit AWD G37.