likelihood of another SC hitting the market?
 

before i got my Z i read up on supercharger options and had pretty much settled on the one from the-company-that-shall-not-be-named :rofl2:. as we all know that is pretty much impossible at this point. so, I am left with Stillen offering. Which is not as attractive to me (might wind up going that route anyway, though).

i know everyone is big on the turbo kits, and that most of the development seems to be going that route. personally, i just dont want another turbo car, had several, and well, just don't want another. especially since i am not looking for huge HP numbers.

anyway, just wondering if there are any rumors/news/murmurings regarding another SC kit being developed.

thanks!

I haven't heard of anyone developing anything new. Is it really that hard to get stuff out of the other company? I knew there were issues, but I may not be up to date on the whole story.

It's impossible. For all intents and purposes they're bankrupt.

Plus I wouldn't want to support them after what they've done.

If you're not looking for huge HP then i would say that Stillen is your one and only choice. Now if you change your mind in HP after a while then you might have a bit of a problem with the kit.

Likelihood of getting a new SC kit, 0%

You can call BP and ask about their HKS revvyou kit thing, it's gonna cost you though

This Z model is near the end of its run, if just doesn't make economic sense for a company to develop a SC this late in the game.

FWIW, Stillen is a very reputable company, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a SC from them.

I've seen Rotrex sc's on 370's before, I don't know who makes the kit, but Rotrex makes the best superchargers money can buy. (IMO)

That was gtm

I have an alternative possible!
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That's pretty much what I figured the response would be, just figured i'd check.

I suppose I was looking for a slightly higher HP number than the Stillen kit. I am also not a huge fan of their intake design (that's secondary obviously)

I guess I was hoping someone might be back-engineering the GTM design vs. doing a lot of R&D on their own.

Thanks guys!

Twin screw roots is what I want. Hell I will cut the damn hood like a hot rod to make it work if someone comes out with it.... I think the market might expand some though. Take into account most got a 4-5 year loan on a new 2009, fast forward those are paid off and the rest will follow suit allowing people to free up money to go towards major go fast goodies. A friend of mine was at the last Tokyo auto salon and said he said at least 3 different intake manifolds on 370z that were shown on cars that are not released yet, he was expecting them to release them maybe later this year. He owns a tuning shop btw.

someone with a stage 1.5 or 2 gtm kit should just get the kit duplicated. :)

Gtm
 

Where can we get the parts duplicated and made better by way of reverse engineering? What type of business would do this sort of work?

I am interested to know.

if you are not interested in huge HP the stillen kit is great, it leaves your car driving like a completely stock vehicle but with extra power there when you want it, of course you will probably get used to the power available very quickly and want more.

the stillen kit isn't easily upgradable, so Turbo would definitely be your best bet. You can always run the Turbo kits low boost 5-6 psi and still make 400ish if you really wanted, then re-tune for higher boost if you get bored. Think of it from a re-sale point of view as well.

I would assume you would need to remove the kit and have the brackets mapped out by a cnc machinist so they can remake the brackets.

Dude, go turbo.

I regret going with a charger, seriously.

After being in a 370 with a BP kit, I must say, I f'd up lol.

I have tried to find CNC Shops but they are not willing to take on the challenge of re-engineering.

Some CNC businesses have told me to seek an Auto customizing shop that involved with performance. That option is an dead end.

And suggestions would be appreciated and welcomed?

talking completely out of my rear-end as i don't have any experience with this, but couldn't it be taken to someone that does 3d modeling? i assume (we all know what that say about that) that a CNC uses some kind of 3d file to make something like this, right?

i guess what i am asking is, what does it take to backengineer brackets? it's basically a shape cut/cast in whatever the correct steel alloy is for the application. or maybe i am completely off base.

called stillen, unfortunately you cant just buy the blower/bracket seperately. would have liked to go this route.

you bought a 370z with there stillen set up already on the car*wink wink*. You rear ended someone and the blower and bracket are destroyed. Insurance wont replace the whole kit. there Only willing to replace the blower and bracket. They wouldn't sell me a intake pipe at first. then I told them insurance isn't going to replace a 7000$ kit for a 200$ piece. They ended up selling the pipe I needed. Talk to someone high up, don't talk to a regular sales guy.

The piping is easy to do, the SC/pulley/belt is off the shelf from the research I am digging into with replacing mine. Even GTM just sourced theirs through another company not even directly from Rotrex.

The main items that would need to be designed are the SC bracket that holds the SC to our engine and how GTM routed the PS lines and anything custom on those lines.

Besides those 2 items above I do not see anything really 'custom' having been done that another shop could not replicate with some time or even improve upon by changing a few things for the better.

Phunk...you wouldn't happen to be looking at getting into the supercharger market would you? :)

If there is ever another "properly sized" roots setup for this platform I'd be all.......:drool:

U could always but a smaller/bigger whatever needs be pulley on the vortech and throw a wastegate on before the intercooler. Would only work on a blow thru maf setup.


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I just heard today of another company coming out with a roots style charger for the Z... The owner said he will send me some pics of the progress but from what he said they are 80% done. I will post up pics and details when I get them. All i know at this moment is that its being worked on and about 80% complete... Dont ask who yet as they dont want to officially announce it until it is done and in stock. until then I will post teasers when i get info.

u just cant come in here ans say that! i want a new thread, progress pics, and a shipping date for the group buy

I am just saying that there is another kit in the works. I will post up if it comes to fruition... Any information I receive I will post up. I will eventually make a new thread once all the information is available. but as of right now think of it as in the works... I dont know timelines yet either... I wont be able to answer questions until I get more info myself and anything I get I will forward with no filter.

:happydance:

someone needs to buy that gtm twin sc that is for sale right now and duplicate the drivers side bracket. then putting the rest together shouldnt be a problem.

:eek::eek:

Say someone was to copy the bracket that holds the blower from a gtm kit, how illegal would that be? How different from original would it need to be? Or is that area just off limits, like iv heard sts has a patent for rear mount turbos


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There is a single GTM 1.5 kit for sale now too. Just as an FYI to the thread. :tiphat:

Seen that, sent email since it doesnt say if turn key or what, hoping to pick it up


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Dood. You should hold out to see what this roots project is all about. I loved mine on my 350. It just wasn't built big enough to put down any serious power. If this new setup is sized right it will be fun as hell. Hopefully it will act like a V10! :happydance:

I mean, this is supposedly 80% way through development!

Will this be like the Stillen 350z roots kit where a new hood is going to be required because of space limitations?

I don't think GTM has any claim to the bracket, you could get the kit. Make copies of parts and then re-sell it and branded as your own. Then again I would say probably getting one and making improvements would be a better option. This way you start with a solid base but makes changes & slight configuration adjustments so even then it won't matter if they look similar as it will be a different design.

I was wondering the same on the hood. I liked the looks of my stillen. But there you have a company making kits who also make a hood to fit it all. I wonder who the company developing this new one is and if they plan to offer a hood with the kit. They almost have to if its required.

If they make it to fit the current hood they would have to integrate the unit into the intake manifold...

hmmm.... love roots-type blowers... hate the 350z hood. that might be a dealbreaker unless they come up with something that flows better.

airirankin... minimum if you get that GTM 1.5 have someone 3D model that sucker, please. Not sure how much it would cost, but I'd be willing to chip in on, or pay for the work.

I would LOVE to see another option other than the Stillen kit,. Just so they dont have the market cornered. :/