Pissed. Going to just break it in a minute.
 

HOW THE **** DO YOU REMOVE THE LID TO THE CONSOLE?!

Sorry, but I have been ******* with it for a long time now. The console is some kind of capsule BS that necessitates the removal of the lid if you want to get anything out of it once it ends up back there in that godforsaken place.

Nevermind breaking it or removing it from its hinges. I'm using a paint-brush and adhesive to retrieve what's back there. Hoping it works.

Center console? Cubby?

Where the back of the lid rotates when you lift the lid.

Lid pins it down. This is ********. Like most of the rest of the car, it's pretty and looks good on paper more than it is sensible.

Crappy windshields, weak components in general, and thin paint. This is my first and last Japanese car, thank god at least it's pretty and fun to drive around town. When everything is going well, it's a decent ride, but since I have owned it it has had far to much that doesn't go well.

Really forming a dislike for this car with this being my latest complaint. Probably why I don't post much anymore except when **** goes wrong.

Obnoxious power steering noises---Nissan says normal
Warped rotor that required them to turn it twice at 10K miles
Windshield that breaks when you look at it (broken on day 3 by a small pebble on the interstate)
Tires that hydroplane at anything above 55mph---Why, Nissan? Much better choices...

I guess this is my 16K mile, 1 year rant. Luckily resale on this car should be very good, and maybe once I put better tires on it it can take a corner without pushing.

Part of this of course is being pissed at the sawed-off little bugger that designed the console, but part of it is legit distaste for Japanese mindset when it comes to a car, apparently, as I had much the same feelings about my G20.

What are you referring to when you say console lid?
The cubby that is above the radio or the center console that is next to the e-brake?

By the E-brake. That thing that on American cars opens to the SIDE to prevent crap like this. I got my license out, now, but seriously, I dislike the mindset behind these cars (Japanese). It is not in-line with my American way of thinking. Last one I buy. Nice car, but not my style of design. I enjoy the good of the experience, though.

You should trade it in for a corvette or something.

sorry to see you are so angry at the Z for its design and "flaws" I hope you see all cars have design flaws along with some issues like paint or windshields, it shouldnt take away from the joy of the car or make you so angry.

If it really does there is no problem or shame in trading it in for something that suits you better, there have been times when even I have contemplated trading in my baby for a more suitable, usable, daily driver.

Good luck!

cool story bro. In the time it took you to rant about something as dumb as this, you could have searched the forum on how to take apart the center console.. its literally like 6 screws and can be done in 2 minutes..

so rotors, windshield (because of a rock), tires, and the absolute worst... the cubby hole...:roflpuke2:

I'm just irritated because the Japanese are so backward from what I am used to. Everything on these cars is "wierd" and "doesn't make sense" to me and I view it as over-complicated and it seems to have issues quite often. I like the quality of interior materials and the workmanship, but the designs are horrible. Give me Japanese workmanship with an American body and design, lol.

Next on the list is German.

I've just built up quite the list of "WTF?!" moments with this car so far. I can't say I would recommend one to anyone, but I far from hate it. It's kindof like a pretty girlfriend that sucks in bed and constantly cries but gets you mad props in public and makes you puff up a bit because your girl is HOT!

I won't date her again, but I'm not going to dump her since I'm with her.

Windshields on all the japanese cars I have owned (all 2, lol). My G20 would crack the windshield with the heater on a cold day. Did it twice. This car has pecks all over the windshield and none of my other cars ever had that issue. This is literally the only windshield I have ever replaced, and I have taken tons of rock hits in other cars. The tires, well, most companies use bad tires, I give you that. The power-steering sounding like an old Monte Carlo with no fluid in it? That's just crappy. The transmission that shifts slick as snot one day and clunks and nibbles the next? Meh. The glitchy NAV system that sometimes goes black after you get done with being in reverse/back up cam? Meh. The horrible weight distribution in a sports car? Huge downer. The mustang is better balanced, lol. I dunno, I just have a whole laundry list of "Why?!" things with this car. Oh, the 22-23mpg I get on the freeway, that sucks too for only 300rwhp. Fail.

Good side?

Interior is pretty, seats rock! Engine tone is very pleasing for a V6, critics be damned, body is sexiest thing this side of $60K (to me), and the lay-out looks very nice and things fall easily to hand in the cockpit.

It's not all bad, but I won't be buying another Nissan product. I have no love for it, to me, it's just a car at this point---certainly far from a passion, although I felt passion this morning...

Next on the list is something from Germany. I have not owned a German car, and being German, I owe it to myself to experience it for better or worse. I'm going to keep this one a while, though. Like I said, I don't dislike it enough to over-rule the good points and I need to actually keep a car for a few years for once.

If you got this mad from the cubby lid, I cannot imagine what would happen if a real crisis hit you :p

I used superglue and a paint-brush and fished it out. I won't be putting anything in there smaller than a baby duck, in the future, though.

Hey, I didn't destroy anything after-all. It's little crap that frustrates me. Big stuff, I can deal with. Little stuff like my ear-buds getting tangled? I flip. I know this, so I came and bitched about it until I was calm enough to go back and solve the problem. Being a **** to your own stuff online > Breaking expensive crap.

Haha.

My corvette actually had less squeaks and rattles, which I am kinda ticked about. Initial build quality of my 370Z was very good. Now? I would rate it as medium. It develops buzzes and squeaks and rattles pretty quickly it seems.

I was gonna say the same thing :roflpuke2:

I can't even imagine what your reaction would be if you went through a steering lock failure.

Totally different from seeing something inches away that you cannot get at and tweezering after it with all manner of things only to have it resolutely stay put in a very expensive and fragile alcove. Mocking you, yet unattainable.

You no get dis! You no get dis! NANANAANA!!!!
....But Bilo get dat!

The more I drive mine the more it rattles :icon14: Theres one in the hatch, the center console by the radio, and the headliner now lol

Wierd. This is the only car I have owned that does this. All of my others either rattle, or don't. They don't develop new one's. Anyway, I digress. The Japanese engineer things really weird compared to what I am used to and I don't like it and have yet to see anything but complications resulting from it. I won't be having another, but I don't hate mine. It's a tolerable relationship with moments both good and bad.

Interesting read, thats for sure. Since I currently own both American and Jap products I think you are way off base. Good rant though glad you got it out here and not on your car.

That was my goal.

I have found from working on both American and Japanese cars that they are vastly different. Everything about how things are done on them is different. I grew up working on American cars. Everything on them "makes sense" regarding mechanics. The Japanese stuff appears overly complex, is very fragile in comparison in my experience (once you reach 100K miles, you WILL have broken suspension parts, motor mounts, Transmission mounts, etc. on a Japanese vehicle. At least, Nissan/Infiniti. With American cars, you replace a tie rod and rock on, if that. Maybe a bushing squeaks.), and while it looks "oh so neat" when it's put together, and has all these little tweaks and adjustments, it just doesn't get it done the way I am used to.

Suspension systems are a HUGE example of this. My corvette looked SO SENSIBLY under there. My Japanese cars have parts that even Infiniti master techs shook their heads at and ask "WTF is that for!?" when they see it. Parts diagrams don't even exist for some of that stuff what was under my G20.

It's over-engineered and under-delivers, is what I am trying to say, while managing to be more frustrating and expensive to work on.

Just my .02 from when I wrenched on my own stuff instead of just taking it in for warranty work now that I buy new. (Will probably buy CPO in the future, but had to own a couple of new one's. Grew up poor, all that, wanted to see what the fuss was about with a NEW car.)

They do stupid stuff. Like put the thermostat on the BOTTOM where all the coolant must come out to change it. Just dumb crap like that. I don't like how the Japanese build a car if I am ever going to have to lay a wrench to it. Sure, American cars have poor examples, but maybe I'm just buying crappy examples of Japanese stuff. Does Honda do this crap? Lexus? I can't say. I do know the Lexus' I have worked on were pretty complex and did have a few "quirks" about how they were put togather, though.

American cars just have crappy window motors and electronics. Which I suppose is its own gremlin.

Trying the Germans next. I hear with them it's either you pick a winner, or you trade it in ASAP! and pick a winner, lol

OP is German, thr makes a lot of sense.

I am not trying to be racist (seriously, no offense intended to Germans) but i came across a couple of German friends/coworkers in the past, cool people but waaaaay too prideful when it comes to German products vs the rest of the world.

I have owned several cars, from JDM imports to Mercs, they dont have a single good thing to say about japanese car or american cars. Convos with them always ended up with them picking on little things and how the rest of the world will never be as good as German products.

Funniest thing is, they dont have a single complaint when i drive them around in my SLK, and the SLK was making all sorts of noises due to the fact that it is a convertable.

I do admit that german products are at the top of the line, but that doesnt mean that other products are bad. Like others said, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to take apart the console cover, and i never have any power steering noises.

But nissan seriously needs to work on the paint..

:pics: or it didnt happen.....

5 minute search:
http://www.courtesyparts.com/images/z34/z34_969-1.gif

So cranky...

Note to self....Keep license in WALLET.

I find this to be true in my line of work but also applies to the german stuff too. Alot of their electrical equipment when regarding indutrial stuff is super chincey and so are their hand tools that they use. I had a bag of kleins one day around some germans in the middle east and they were practically drooling over them. I ended up giving one of the guys one of my screwdrivers because for 6 months he wouldnt stop talking about it. I told him I would let him have it when I got my flight out. It was funny the first time he saw it, it was like it was magic or something. Lol. I really really hate their breakers and relays too. Garbage.

Your a "True Z Fanatic" but yet its the car that will never make you want another Japanese vehicle because god forbid you cant replace the tires, rotors, or get something out of the cubby???? :ugh2:

I would always get my license and credit cards stuck in my Z it's not that big of a deal lol. I replaced my front rotors with aftermarket ones and never had problems, and burned through several sets of tires. Its part of the game haha

do you not know how to count?

G20 is your first japanese car.
370Z is your second and final japanese car.... and japanese car makers could careless :hello:

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PS... I only get to read half of this thread...

for Mr.kenchan

:inoutroflpuke::roflpuke2::icon17::icon18:

Bahahahaha!!!!

:bowrofl: this is why i missed this guy :tup: his f*ckin hilarious :D

At 155,000 + miles this thread makes me glad my "Japanese" 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse is Japanese in name only. It was designed in California by Americans, manufactured and assembled in Normal, ILL by Americans. :tiphat:

I can't help but laugh, given the number of times I told you about this, and you doubted the car made of "solid billet" would rattle.

When are we closing this thread?

Didn't read much, don't want to flame, but i understand you saying something like "i don't like the Japanese mindset", but it goes both ways, i hate the "American mindset", horrible interior, leaf springs, flimsy plastic, poor handling, poor exterior design, think if they add enough HP it suddenly becomes a good car, ect... to each their own. Sounds like you could pick up a vette or mustang

I didn't either...
I can only buy Japanese cars because of build quality...
Like when I wanted to install the 4th brake light, the damn bolts would NOT come off no matter what I did.
I felt like killing anyone and everyone at Nissan... I told my dad about the amount of thread locker and he saw how much shít I had to go through to take it off and his reply was, "You see, the Japanese build cars to last"

Great answer



Also, regarding squeaks and rattles, sorry brothers, some there are less bolts and welds in cars, and more BS clips and such, you're going to get more squeaks with every car. Another reason to buy the extended warranty, my door panel has been replaced once in this car and my previous Maxima

WHOA! ImportConvert's complaining!?!?! I would have never guessed this would happen. Maybe it's not so much the car......