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Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 2072247)

WHOA! ImportConvert's complaining!?!?! I would have never guessed this would happen. Maybe it's not so much the car......

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2071508)

do you not know how to count?

G20 is your first japanese car.
370Z is your second and final japanese car.... and japanese car makers could careless :hello:

I'm sure they could, but I'm not refusing to buy one to spite them. You're right, it's my second. I meant it was the first one I bought NEW and "for what it was". The G20 was just "Here are the keys to my old car, put me in something with 4-doors and a 4-banger" and it happened to be a G20.

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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23 (Post 2071975)

Didn't read much, don't want to flame, but i understand you saying something like "i don't like the Japanese mindset", but it goes both ways, i hate the "American mindset", horrible interior, leaf springs, flimsy plastic, poor handling, poor exterior design, think if they add enough HP it suddenly becomes a good car, ect... to each their own. Sounds like you could pick up a vette or mustang

Meh. American cars out-handle the 370Z. Mustang with the track-pack or whatever puts it in its place.

The transverse leaf-spring in the 'vette is just fine. Honestly. It worked well enough to beat the GT-R around the 'ring, anyway.

The American interiors are what I don't like and what drove me to the 370Z. SOLID point! I agree. They are improving, though.

The Japanese are down on horsepower and cars like the 370Z don't have the handling to make up for it. They handle nice for a street car I guess, but they push through corners and feel very "heavy" to me, compared to corvettes, the new mustangs, and other cars without so much weight up front.

I can certainly agree that you have a right to feel how you do, and won't do much more than argue the points above. I agree with many of them. The Japanese engineer is who frustrates me.

The suspension is a HORRIBLY complex design with a TON of rubber in it to flex and mush. The 370 is much better than the 350, but it's like the guy who designed it made it to ONLY function brand-new, and didn't give a flying **** about service, repair, and performance over the life of the car. This seems to be how all Japanese cars are made when I look at pictures of their underpinnings, or in the engine-bay, etc. My G20 and 370Z certainly have been that way thus-far.

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2072190)

I didn't either...
I can only buy Japanese cars because of build quality...
Like when I wanted to install the 4th brake light, the damn bolts would NOT come off no matter what I did.
I felt like killing anyone and everyone at Nissan... I told my dad about the amount of thread locker and he saw how much shít I had to go through to take it off and his reply was, "You see, the Japanese build cars to last"

Great answer

Also, regarding squeaks and rattles, sorry brothers, some there are less bolts and welds in cars, and more BS clips and such, you're going to get more squeaks with every car. Another reason to buy the extended warranty, my door panel has been replaced once in this car and my previous Maxima

I understand that things will squeak and rattle, but my 2001 WS6 rattled less than the first Z car I rode in (an '06?) and it rattled less the day I sold it in 2010 with 150K miles on it than my 2012 370Z.

Maybe I'm the only one who see's a problem with that. My initial quality impression of my 370Z was VERY good/high. My opinion now is that it's "low/average". About where American cars in the $35-45K price-range were 10 years ago. Take that as you will. Just not pleased. I expect a little squeak, but I have to turn the radio up to drown all the rattles out, and that's just lame. THen I pull into a parking-lot and the power-steering moans and groans and everyone looks at me and it's embarrassing. I mean, seriously?

I hate to say it, but I am at the point where I would rather have a slightly crappier grade of plastic used and not have a car that feels like a bucket of bolts and clunks and whines and groans. It's annoying. I'll post video in a few of the power-steering whine that Nissan says is "Characteristic of the car".

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Originally Posted by Apoc370z (Post 2070024)

OP is German, thr makes a lot of sense.

I am not trying to be racist (seriously, no offense intended to Germans) but i came across a couple of German friends/coworkers in the past, cool people but waaaaay too prideful when it comes to German products vs the rest of the world.
I am German, but I think certain things from certain countries are better. I simply want to "try them all" and to deny that the German automobile is unique is just ignorant. It offers a different feel from American and JDM. I want to experience it. I may hate it, but I want to try it.

I have owned several cars, from JDM imports to Mercs, they dont have a single good thing to say about japanese car or american cars. Convos with them always ended up with them picking on little things and how the rest of the world will never be as good as German products.
Not my bag. Meh. Some things, yes, like when SIG went from W Germany to Exeter, NH, total failure, lol.
Funniest thing is, they dont have a single complaint when i drive them around in my SLK, and the SLK was making all sorts of noises due to the fact that it is a convertable.
I'm not into Merc. I would like to try BMW. It's just more my style, and comes in manual still.
I do admit that german products are at the top of the line, but that doesnt mean that other products are bad. Like others said, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to take apart the console cover, and i never have any power steering noises.

But nissan seriously needs to work on the paint..

I simply want to try a German car. For the experience. If I thought they were so much better I would have just bought an M3 instead of a Z06 and ended my "car quest" right there. Or traded the Z06 for one when I got out of it. No, I want to try them because they are different. That said, I have experienced a BMW E92 M3 from 1 lane over, and it wasn't any quicker than my 370Z. I was proud of my little V6! Of course, this happened during a dream I had.

It sounds to me like an E92 M3 is the car for you.

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Originally Posted by Japanjay (Post 2070776)

I find this to be true in my line of work but also applies to the german stuff too. Alot of their electrical equipment when regarding indutrial stuff is super chincey and so are their hand tools that they use. I had a bag of kleins one day around some germans in the middle east and they were practically drooling over them. I ended up giving one of the guys one of my screwdrivers because for 6 months he wouldnt stop talking about it. I told him I would let him have it when I got my flight out. It was funny the first time he saw it, it was like it was magic or something. Lol. I really really hate their breakers and relays too. Garbage.

I have heard this A LOT about German electronics, and honestly, would rather deal with JDM poor mechanical engineering than German poor electronic engineering. That said...warranty.

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Originally Posted by NitrousZ34 (Post 2070802)

Your a "True Z Fanatic" but yet its the car that will never make you want another Japanese vehicle because god forbid you cant replace the tires, rotors, or get something out of the cubby???? :ugh2:

I would always get my license and credit cards stuck in my Z it's not that big of a deal lol. I replaced my front rotors with aftermarket ones and never had problems, and burned through several sets of tires. Its part of the game haha

I understand the new tires being crap. Still, it is crap to the point that I feel they are unsafe on wet roads when going traffic-speed. Even when new.

The rotors shouldn't need to be replaced in the first 10K miles without track-use. That was just crap. Even the dealership said the rotors on that car sucked.

My power-steering pump shouldn't "be considered normal" when it sounds like this (this is about 1/2 as bad as it can get sometimes, fluid level is normal, and Nissan dealership found nothing wrong and called Nissan Corp tech line and was told "characteristic of the car"---horseshit!):

December 12, 2012 9:59 AM - YouTube

(I have a Berk CBE. It also fits like crap, and screw Berk, they never sent me the parts to fix it that I gave them my CC info to bill me for. The left hanger just swings in the breeze because it won't fit. I posted about that about a year ago. NEVER! do business with them again. Crap products, and zip for CS other than they will talk to you and "yes, yes, yes" over the phone.)

How do YOU get the CC's out of the Z? I used superglue and a paint-brush, finally. Ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as taking the console out to get them.

After reading all the ranting & banter, we never got the answer to if you broke it or if cooler heads prevailed :pics::merrychristmas:

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Read the bottom of page 1 and the top of page 2.

Thanks, and happy holidays to you, too!

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2069148)

Lid pins it down. This is ********. Like most of the rest of the car, it's pretty and looks good on paper more than it is sensible.

Crappy windshields, weak components in general, and thin paint. This is my first and last Japanese car, thank god at least it's pretty and fun to drive around town. When everything is going well, it's a decent ride, but since I have owned it it has had far to much that doesn't go well.

Really forming a dislike for this car with this being my latest complaint. Probably why I don't post much anymore except when **** goes wrong.

Obnoxious power steering noises---Nissan says normal
Warped rotor that required them to turn it twice at 10K miles
Windshield that breaks when you look at it (broken on day 3 by a small pebble on the interstate)
Tires that hydroplane at anything above 55mph---Why, Nissan? Much better choices...

I guess this is my 16K mile, 1 year rant. Luckily resale on this car should be very good, and maybe once I put better tires on it it can take a corner without pushing.

Part of this of course is being pissed at the sawed-off little bugger that designed the console, but part of it is legit distaste for Japanese mindset when it comes to a car, apparently, as I had much the same feelings about my G20.

I've heard it all now.

Guy wants to trade in his Z because the cubby lid is to complicated for him to figure out how to remove it. You definitely make it sound like you have at least some sort of mechanical knowledge, but you were nearly defeated by a piece of plastic that takes 10 minutes (TOPS) to remove?

Other, slightly more valid rants:
Power steering makes noises: Noises like what? Like it is working? I am little confused on this..

Crappy windshield: Huh? So the glass breaks when it is hit with a rock. Yup, it's glass. Owned 1 other Japanese car (subaru) for a total of 6-7 years and never had a windshield break on me. Surely if this was a valid or actual issue there would be more people on her mentioning it?

Tires hydroplaning: Are you doing 55mph in a downpour or something? In the 2 years I've owned my Z and have driven the piss out of it, it has yet to hydroplane anywhere. Maybe different tires would fix this for you? I would guess a downfall of having performance tires is they aren't the best in the rain. Then again, if the Z had less grippy tires everyone would complain how it handles like garbage in the dry. Pick your poison..

You make it sound like all american cars are dreams to work on, they aren't. Have you ever tried to change the sparkplugs on an LT1/LSX? Change o2 housing on an SRT4? Tried doing anything on a CTS-V or SRT8? If you think a German car is going to be any easier, you are really going to be in for a surprise. Please man, most cars aren't the easiest to work on, that's why there is a group of people out there who do it for a living so normal people don't have to.

You obviously don't want the car and are making excuses to get rid of it, so do yourself a favor and sell it off.

My co-worker bought a bmw 3 series (used) around 60k for 21k from a small dealer. She's proud of the car because BMW. First week the hid bulb burned out. 2nd week the suspension making noise. 3rd week ac problem. Luckily she's bought a extended warranty. Everything get fixed. Then after like 2 months seem to be good. Then the navigation won't turn on. The luckiest is totaled her car but she's totally fine. (Thanks god) then her second car was BMW again!! (Stubborn) Same dealer. Of course extended warranty Again. Now lil big time. I was 7 series 65k miles and she's got it for 25k. After a month of driving. The car seem to be damn good. After another couple of days the engine oil was leaking. Now the car in the dealer for 3 months already. The dealer found so many issues of the car not only the engine oil is leaking. A lot of parts need to be replaced. Extended warranty refused to pay the repair for some reason. I'm not saying BMW was a bad car or German car was bad. But for me. 60k-70k miles for high class car having some much trouble is unacceptable. Think about it buddy. :driving: