So I ordered an INGS+1 CF Lip, waited 8 weeks, unwrapped and...................

Shotta · 11-02-2012, 11:22 PM

Looks like a seam mark from a low quality vacuum bagging operation. I highly doubt this has anything to do with the shipping company and everything to do with the manufacturer.

Mr&Mrs · 11-02-2012, 11:56 PM

Hmm wonder if it could be sanded out and cleared. You should have it clear coated anyway to protect fading/yellowing. My Zele lip had a little of this along the seam as well. After my painter got ahold of it it looks fine. Mine was not near this bad though.

Trips · 11-02-2012, 11:56 PM

Man thats gotta suk

Hope all goes well in getting it replaced

Japanjay · 11-03-2012, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotta

Looks like a seam mark from a low quality vacuum bagging operation. I highly doubt this has anything to do with the shipping company and everything to do with the manufacturer.

I agree. I have personally seen lots of CF being molded and there is what I would call "overhang". It has to be cut flush then polished. People have to understand CF before the resin is added it comes in sheets then it is layed with excessive overhang to compensate for loss due to concaves and convexs in the mold, the the resin is formed over top, then pressed onto the mold. Yours looks like it was trimmed but not polished at the mold line. I would be pissed but at the same time every once in a while stuff like this gets passed QC, even for the best of them. If this is what happens with 8 out of 10 of their lips then I would steer clear, but this seems to be a freak situation, but in the end will come down to how the company handles the oversite and refund. Hell even money can come out with flaws once in a blue moon. But unlike money, this overlook doesnt make it worth more money. LOL, but yeah this shouldnt have left the factory.

Just for example:

Japanjay · 11-03-2012, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs

Hmm wonder if it could be sanded out and cleared. You should have it clear coated anyway to protect fading/yellowing. My Zele lip had a little of this along the seam as well. After my painter got ahold of it it looks fine. Mine was not near this bad though.

He can go this option, but then again he shouldnt have to pay out of pocket any more.

Me personally, I would find a local company that specializes in carbon fiber work and see what they say. If they conclude it is a lack of polishing at the last stage, get a description of the problem and a quote for them to fix it. Then contact Ings and see if they will mail off a check for the carbon company to fix it plus send a bonus part for you having to wait so long then go as far as fixing it. Win for both. Even if they dont send a part, which I think would show that they are sorry for the inconvience, it would still be cheaper than paying for shipping both directions.

Option 2 would be that they overnight a replacement, a return shipping tag, plus money for the box so they can see it themselves and find out how this slipped by. I mean it is pretty obvious that it is not some scratch. It is a prefect line around the whole thing. Clearly the modeling line.

Japanjay · 11-03-2012, 02:28 AM

Looking at the pictures in more depth. That should be more then enough for them to see it is the mold line. The top side and bottom side of the line clearly shows two different sides of carbon. Just look at the squares at the line.

Mr&Mrs · 11-03-2012, 03:26 AM

I know he shouldnt have to pay more to make it right. I just suggested getting it cleared if he had not already planned to do so, because if not it will look like crap in a couple years anyway. His may be in to bad of shape for sanding and clearing to fix it.

Retropete · 11-03-2012, 07:17 AM

Ordered the same lip 10 week wait - looks almost exactly the same.
Received mine 2 weeks ago - same batch?
Finish is shocking.
Waiting for response from vendor where I ordered mine.

rAiN · 11-03-2012, 07:50 AM

Wow that sucks. Im a little confused here, is the lip an actual carbon fiber? Or just carbon layed on top of fiberglass?

2ndChance · 11-03-2012, 01:39 PM

It is just the mold line where the two CF parts meet.

I have the shineauto lip kip and the sideskirts have this 3mm black spacer between the parts. But it does look quite smooth and well finished and not like this one. I realized it was there after 2 months, if you dont get close is impossible to notice.

This has nothing to do with shipping.

And most likely this lip is made with fiberglass with a cf layer on top.

pty370z · 11-03-2012, 05:40 PM

I'm not going to say who the shipper was, even though it's not one of the BIG shipping companies we're all familiar with. The one that was used, first time I ever heard of them.

HOWEVER, that being said, this does NOT look like a shipping company issue AT ALL.

The box that I received had the INGS+1 logo imprinted on the box so it's really hard for the shipper to replace a box like that. As I said, there was no damage at all on the box and the lip was extremely well bubble-wrapped.

The lip does look like it's carbon fiber, doesn't look like CF layed fiberglass.

I did not order mine through Vivid Racing, different vendor. It worries me even more now that I read someone else just had the same issue (Retropete). Never expected this from a company like INGS+1.

What complicates this situation EVEN MORE is that I'm not in the US. I'm in Panama, Central America. The lip was shipped to an address in Miami, FL and then my freight forwarder company brought it here.

Shipping this lip back to the US (or wherever else, for that matter) would be EXTREMELY expensive. Probably as expensive as the lip itself.

I don't know how this is all going to work out but I'm gonna make sure it does.

Mr&Mrs · 11-03-2012, 05:42 PM

Get it refinished local like I said it is just the gel coat. Then have them pay for it.

lastblueprint · 11-04-2012, 01:30 AM

Every INGS product comes with INGS manuals and other stuff like my picture below?
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Quote:

Originally Posted by pty370z

I'm not going to say who the shipper was, even though it's not one of the BIG shipping companies we're all familiar with. The one that was used, first time I ever heard of them.

HOWEVER, that being said, this does NOT look like a shipping company issue AT ALL.

The box that I received had the INGS+1 logo imprinted on the box so it's really hard for the shipper to replace a box like that. As I said, there was no damage at all on the box and the lip was extremely well bubble-wrapped.

The lip does look like it's carbon fiber, doesn't look like CF layed fiberglass.

I did not order mine through Vivid Racing, different vendor. It worries me even more now that I read someone else just had the same issue (Retropete). Never expected this from a company like INGS+1.

What complicates this situation EVEN MORE is that I'm not in the US. I'm in Panama, Central America. The lip was shipped to an address in Miami, FL and then my freight forwarder company brought it here.

Shipping this lip back to the US (or wherever else, for that matter) would be EXTREMELY expensive. Probably as expensive as the lip itself.

I don't know how this is all going to work out but I'm gonna make sure it does.

simota1 · 11-04-2012, 07:55 AM

i really hope you get this sorted man

that really sucks

pty370z · 11-04-2012, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastblueprint

Every INGS product comes with INGS manuals and other stuff like my picture below?
Attachment 57057

Yeap, I have that too, with the fancy logo and the serial number as well..

Too bad the quality of the product itself didn't match up to expectations..

11-02-2012, 11:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
Shotta Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Niagara Posts: 316 Drives: 2010 370z black M6 Rep Power: 13	Looks like a seam mark from a low quality vacuum bagging operation. I highly doubt this has anything to do with the shipping company and everything to do with the manufacturer. DarkJak likes this. __________________ 6MT - designed for perfectionists 7AT - designed for enthusiasts

11-02-2012, 11:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,207 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 31940	Hmm wonder if it could be sanded out and cleared. You should have it clear coated anyway to protect fading/yellowing. My Zele lip had a little of this along the seam as well. After my painter got ahold of it it looks fine. Mine was not near this bad though. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

11-02-2012, 11:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland, Ca Posts: 8,732 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	Man thats gotta suk Hope all goes well in getting it replaced __________________

11-03-2012, 03:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,207 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 31940	I know he shouldnt have to pay more to make it right. I just suggested getting it cleared if he had not already planned to do so, because if not it will look like crap in a couple years anyway. His may be in to bad of shape for sanding and clearing to fix it. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

11-03-2012, 07:17 AM	#23 (permalink)
Retropete Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 10 Drives: 2011 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 14	Ordered the same lip 10 week wait - looks almost exactly the same. Received mine 2 weeks ago - same batch? Finish is shocking. Waiting for response from vendor where I ordered mine. Last edited by Retropete; 11-05-2012 at 06:22 PM.

11-03-2012, 02:28 AM	#21 (permalink)
Japanjay Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Puyallup Posts: 856 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z MB M6 Rep Power: 14	Looking at the pictures in more depth. That should be more then enough for them to see it is the mold line. The top side and bottom side of the line clearly shows two different sides of carbon. Just look at the squares at the line.

11-03-2012, 07:50 AM	#24 (permalink)
rAiN Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: va Posts: 721 Drives: 2012 370z mt Rep Power: 17	Wow that sucks. Im a little confused here, is the lip an actual carbon fiber? Or just carbon layed on top of fiberglass?

11-03-2012, 01:39 PM	#25 (permalink)
2ndChance Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Panama Posts: 240 Drives: like he stole it Rep Power: 199	It is just the mold line where the two CF parts meet. I have the shineauto lip kip and the sideskirts have this 3mm black spacer between the parts. But it does look quite smooth and well finished and not like this one. I realized it was there after 2 months, if you dont get close is impossible to notice. This has nothing to do with shipping. And most likely this lip is made with fiberglass with a cf layer on top. Last edited by 2ndChance; 11-03-2012 at 01:50 PM.

11-03-2012, 05:40 PM	#26 (permalink)
pty370z Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Panama City, Panama Posts: 654 Drives: over the speed limit Rep Power: 17	I'm not going to say who the shipper was, even though it's not one of the BIG shipping companies we're all familiar with. The one that was used, first time I ever heard of them. HOWEVER, that being said, this does NOT look like a shipping company issue AT ALL. The box that I received had the INGS+1 logo imprinted on the box so it's really hard for the shipper to replace a box like that. As I said, there was no damage at all on the box and the lip was extremely well bubble-wrapped. The lip does look like it's carbon fiber, doesn't look like CF layed fiberglass. I did not order mine through Vivid Racing, different vendor. It worries me even more now that I read someone else just had the same issue (Retropete). Never expected this from a company like INGS+1. What complicates this situation EVEN MORE is that I'm not in the US. I'm in Panama, Central America. The lip was shipped to an address in Miami, FL and then my freight forwarder company brought it here. Shipping this lip back to the US (or wherever else, for that matter) would be EXTREMELY expensive. Probably as expensive as the lip itself. I don't know how this is all going to work out but I'm gonna make sure it does. __________________ 2010 Solid Red 370Z * *Touring-Sport-6MT Black Interior Performance:** STILLEN * BERK * UR * MISHIMOTO * K&N * Z1 * ZSPEED * UPREV * DBA Interior: GT-R Red Start/Stop Button * MSA Floor Mats * PW:JDM Exterior: INGS+1 * SEIBON * FUJIMURA * PW:JDM * UAM * KICS * VOLK Last edited by pty370z; 11-03-2012 at 05:42 PM.

11-03-2012, 05:42 PM	#27 (permalink)
Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,207 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 31940	Get it refinished local like I said it is just the gel coat. Then have them pay for it. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

11-04-2012, 07:55 AM	#29 (permalink)
simota1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dededo, Guam Posts: 6,642 Drives: solid red 370z 6mt Rep Power: 405	i really hope you get this sorted man that really sucks __________________ *TOP SECRET/POWERHOUSE AMUSE/ARC/DAYTONA RACING/VARIS/MINES/GANADOR/J-LINE/WORK EMOTION CR KAI/GT SPEC/CARBON SIGNAL/ZOOM ENGINEERING/ CARBON FIBER ELEMENT/STILLEN/*

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