Carbon Fiber Edition 370z

W.O.W. 370Z · 09-06-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by billet370

Well WOW I apologize if I offended you in anyway but I am simply defending myself as any-other person would. You dont seem to bash 370ztune, A VENDER, for his thread bashing ON THE THREAD I STARTED, so it shows you have a personal issue of some sort with me/CFE when we, to my knowledge, have never attacked/bashed/insulted you.

I am only trying to make a valid point about replicas. MOST OF THE AFTERMARKET PARTS out there are REPLICATED from OEM design HOWEVER made with CARBON FIBER which isnt offered by NISSAN. HOWEVER, this is accepted by all and I agree it should because your receiving parts that are modified/development using material that the original source "NISSAN" doesn't offer. That is the EXACT same process with replica cf amuse kits. I simply wanted to build a FULL CARBON FIBER CAR, something I WANTED to accomplish WAY before a 370z even existed. I simply found a company that offers a full carbon fiber body kit. NOBODY OFFERS THAT OPTION. So a company that developed this "replica" amuse kit is similar in theory to SEIBON MAKING CARBON FIBER OEM STYLE MIRROR CAPS, HOOD, HATCH, DOORS... the material is different but this is acceptable... SO Why is this situation being treated any different?

Im just tired of everybody jumping on this REPLICA bandwagon. AND A FINAL REMINDER, we dont SELL any body exterior parts so again, this thread is simply a visual update on my project.

WHEN IS IT OKAY TO REPLICATE? WHENEVER A MEMBER DECIDES ON ONE PRODUCT RATHER THAN SPEAKING YOUR MIND ON EVERY REPLICATED PART THAT COMES TO MARKET... GO AHEAD AND SEND SEIBON SOME NOTIFICATION AS WELL SINCE YOUR UPLOADING THE LAW AND EXPRESSING EQUAL FAIRNESS WITH ALL REPLICATED PARTS THAT COME TO MARKET, NOT JUST THIS BODY KIT :/

You came into someone else's thread who was floating the idea of making carbon fiber parts and you, as a vendor, crashed her thread and basically berated her with talk down and condescending language. Not sure how much pity I can have for you when someone comes into your thread.

I understand your frustrations but your argument is weak and not even the exactly same circumstances that you are trying to express.

VDC_OFF · 09-06-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

lol, billet370. You need to chill.

Just my $0.02

There's a big difference between plagiarism and using the source as the foundation of a design. By definition, yes I suppose you could consider those parts 370Ztune is offering as "replicas" but it's implied that certain parts only fit if directly copied from the original. They're not trying to pass off the part as an authentic OEM Nissan part. It's kind of implied for example, that a cf mirror cover has to conform to the OEM mirror to fit correctly. It's physically impossible not to have it mimick the original piece. There also a difference between a non-OEM "replacement" part and replicating someone elses "aftermarket" part. No one is bashing you for your carbon-fiber wraps for example. It's a fine line and up to the original author to decide what they want allowed. It's very clear that Powerhouse Amuse would not want this allowed. Changing the kit to CF is moot if you don't have the original authors permission or in this case is greatly opposed to such alterations in the design.

You may be tired of the "replica bandwagon," but as someone who designs (buildings) for a living, plagiarism is basically theft of intellectual property and something I take offense to. It's illegal and very much unethical. The replica Amuse are counterfeit products, no matter how you spin or justify it. If I decide to change a few words to a book I liked reading for example, put my name on it and started selling it for a profit. The original author would rightfully be upset.

Arguing this stuff is childish. Everyone, including yourself, knows selling something counterfeit is wrong. People can justify and reason all they want... be it price, color, texture...whatever...it doesn't make it right. No one is attacking you for the great job you did on YOUR car. There's just no need to be defensive because someone called you out on your "replica" kit.

I see your point too which makes sense for these two items:

but what about these items?

I'm simply trying to approach this as finding the distinction from a fine line. I am a graphic designer and have had people take my design and alter it just with different fonts or colors. It did make me mad but it happens and if they changed it enough, it becomes their own design. One thing I have learned as a designer, is that the best designs have been influenced by something they have seen someone else do. You just have to take it as a form of flattery I guess. Researching copyright laws, this website categorizes this as a moral rights.
Legally Using Images | copyrightlaws.com

Very confusing topic!

Cmike2780 · 09-06-2012, 03:57 PM

I think it applies to all those parts, but that's not what I'm trying to get at.

It's basically up to the original author to decide what they will allow. Nissan doesn't seem to have an objection, for or against those parts, so we don't really know if it's okay or not. We can't really comment on it without Nissan's views. I was under the impression that they allow it, but with the caveat that Nissan is no longer liable for parts modified or replaced with non OEM part. They, like all manufacturers take copyright cases seriously and will usually let the small stuff pass without legal action. More extreme cases see a far more pronounced action.

Since the prospect of a near identical replica of the Powerhouse Amuse kit is in question, we can use that as an example. They, Powerhouse Amuse, don't want people buying or selling an exact clone of their product in ANY shape or material. Period! It's something they have clearly explained as a direct infringement of their intellectual property. If they were to go to court against these replica manufacturers, the result would be without a doubt in Powerhouse Amuses' favor. Just because you think it's expensive, it doesn't give you the right to copy that product. Call it whatever you want...influence, flattery, whatever....it's still plagiarism. Just because you refuse to take action at someone copying your work, it doesn't make it right. The right to give or deny permission to replicate and sell is rightfully & soley with the owner of the original design.

Carbon_z · 09-06-2012, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

lol, billet370. You need to chill.

Just my $0.02

There's a big difference between plagiarism and using the source as the foundation of a design. By definition, yes I suppose you could consider those parts 370Ztune is offering as "replicas" but it's implied that certain parts only fit if directly copied from the original. They're not trying to pass off the part as an authentic OEM Nissan part. It's kind of implied for example, that a cf mirror cover has to conform to the OEM mirror to fit correctly. It's physically impossible not to have it mimick the original piece. There also a difference between a non-OEM "replacement" part and replicating someone elses "aftermarket" part. No one is bashing you for your carbon-fiber wraps for example. It's a fine line and up to the original author to decide what they want allowed. It's very clear that Powerhouse Amuse would not want this allowed. Changing the kit to CF is moot if you don't have the original authors permission or in this case is greatly opposed to such alterations in the design.

You may be tired of the "replica bandwagon," but as someone who designs (buildings) for a living, plagiarism is basically theft of intellectual property and something I take offense to. It's illegal and very much unethical. The replica Amuse are counterfeit products, no matter how you spin or justify it. If I decide to change a few words to a book I liked reading for example, put my name on it and started selling it for a profit. The original author would rightfully be upset.

Arguing this stuff is childish. Everyone, including yourself, knows selling something counterfeit is wrong. People can justify and reason all they want... be it price, color, texture...whatever...it doesn't make it right. No one is attacking you for the great job you did on YOUR car. There's just no need to be defensive because someone called you out on your "replica" kit.

Understandable but listen, IM NOT SELLING PARTS lol... This is simply something I bought for my car. Amuse doesnt make a carbon fiber body kit, just like Nissan doesnt sell Carbon Fiber pillars, mirrors, dash etc...All I did was buy a carbon fiber body kit because AMUSE doesnt offer them in full carbon.

The whole purpose of this entire thread, was to post pics

Some of you are forgetting who started to get off topic FIRST

. Sure wasnt me. I just wanted to share pics.

I know when I install the cf hatch, cf quarter panels and cf doors NOT to post a thread on the forums because I was get bashed for Replica CF parts.

okay Im still going to post

BTW why does he sell 2 different sets of mirror caps, dash pieces and etc? Somebody is replicating a replica if you ask me. But everything is a replica and yes its an amuse kit but the original source does not offer it in full cf so I purchased my stuff from a company that offered carbon fiber parts that I couldnt find anywhere else, just like seibon/VIS offer threw their entire product line... Honestly, if i wasnt so bored at work this week I wouldnt have been this involved

AND FINALLY, WOW.... I dont know if you saw here ORIGINAL POST before she edited it but she was a NEW member, not a vendor, posting prices for services and etc.... If we want to discuss ethics then is it fair that a new member just begin advertising business proposal? when others, such as my self, pay monthly dues and adhere to the forum rules? * DO NOT post links of your website or A company to advertise your product or service anywhere in the forums(i.e. avatar/sig/post/threads). You must be a vendors/sponsors/supporting dealers in order to do so. nope..

I really dont have any beef with you, I really think you were hitting on that chick hahahah which i didnt know was a chick until you pointed it out

That's forum rules, which I did not create or mandate but I follow. Just like 370ztune shouldnt post idiotic comments causing idiotic replies

My replies were over the top but I was simply showing how meaningless it was of his post just to bash. I dont go into threads and bash members or fellow vendors. We stay professional and at times, relate to the customers because we too are z enthusiast

Carbon_z · 09-06-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I think it applies to all those parts, but that's not what I'm trying to get at.

It's basically up to the original author to decide what they will allow. Nissan doesn't seem to have an objection, for or against those parts, so we don't really know if it's okay or not. We can't really comment on it without Nissan's views. I was under the impression that they allow it, but with the caveat that Nissan is no longer liable for parts modified or replaced with non OEM part. They, like all manufacturers take copyright cases seriously and will usually let the small stuff pass without legal action. More extreme cases see a far more pronounced action.

Since the prospect of a near identical replica of the Powerhouse Amuse kit is in question, we can use that as an example. They, Powerhouse Amuse, don't want people buying or selling an exact clone of their product in ANY shape or material. Period! It's something they have clearly explained as a direct infringement of their intellectual property. If they were to go to court against these replica manufacturers, the result would be without a doubt in Powerhouse Amuses' favor. Just because you think it's expensive, it doesn't give you the right to copy that product. Call it whatever you want...influence, flattery, whatever....it's still plagiarism. Just because you refuse to take action at someone copying your work, it doesn't make it right. The right to give or deny permission to replicate and sell is rightfully & soley with the owner of the original design.

The issue isnt with Nissan, per 370ztune its the principal. BUT YET, he offers product that were developed using the same design/material ingredients to replica kit and existing part and offer it now in carbon fiber. CF pillars, mirrors, which is the same method that was implicated in a carbon fiber amuse kit being made available.

VDC_OFF · 09-06-2012, 04:47 PM

so any more updates on the car yet

I really want those carbon door pieces, would match great when I get my carbon fiber seats!

Carbon_z · 09-06-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

so any more updates on the car yet

I really want those carbon door pieces, would match great when I get my carbon fiber seats!

What part of the door? lol the inserts right? lol

You said doors and im thinking DOOOORRS

And thanks to your link earlier, I will have a full carbon ifber car by November. Znationals the car will look basically as you see it. With the addition of these parts that we are finishing up this week

THE MAIN PILLARS ARE SHOWN BELOW, but they are being done as well

simota1 · 09-06-2012, 05:04 PM

holey moley man.... so much static in this thread.... imma agree with birdman imma ostrich this one too...

seriously though... i honestly dont think it was billet intention in any way of trying to promote buying cf replica amuse or other cf body parts

he just wanted to show his nice pics of his car....

HKYStormFront · 09-06-2012, 05:09 PM

pics from this past weekend:

VDC_OFF · 09-06-2012, 05:10 PM

That first pic is the one I was referring to. But the whole car is

Carbon_z · 09-06-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

That first pic is the one I was referring to. But the whole car is

I love the red kevlar and carbon fiber two tone, you will LOVE IT in person.

Are you going to Znationals? We are going to be one of the sponsors in the event and have a booth and raffle off a special prize

Carbon_z · 09-06-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

pics from this past weekend:

You know I love you

BUTTTT you reposted the pics you took that I already posted

HKYStormFront · 09-06-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by billet370

You know I love you

BUTTTT you reposted the pics you took that I already posted

ugh, i went back a page, didn't see them two pages back, my bad

VDC_OFF · 09-06-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by billet370

I love the red kevlar and carbon fiber two tone, you will LOVE IT in person.

Are you going to Znationals? We are going to be one of the sponsors in the event and have a booth and raffle off a special prize

hmm idk. Atlanta is a bit of a drive from Houston. Also hard to do with a family that I cant take along with me in a 2 seater

Carbon_z · 09-06-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VDC_OFF

hmm idk. Atlanta is a bit of a drive from Houston. Also hard to do with a family that I cant take along with me in a 2 seater

Isnt that the REAL reason why you got a TWO seater

09-06-2012, 03:57 PM	#123 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I think it applies to all those parts, but that's not what I'm trying to get at. It's basically up to the original author to decide what they will allow. Nissan doesn't seem to have an objection, for or against those parts, so we don't really know if it's okay or not. We can't really comment on it without Nissan's views. I was under the impression that they allow it, but with the caveat that Nissan is no longer liable for parts modified or replaced with non OEM part. They, like all manufacturers take copyright cases seriously and will usually let the small stuff pass without legal action. More extreme cases see a far more pronounced action. Since the prospect of a near identical replica of the Powerhouse Amuse kit is in question, we can use that as an example. They, Powerhouse Amuse, don't want people buying or selling an exact clone of their product in ANY shape or material. Period! It's something they have clearly explained as a direct infringement of their intellectual property. If they were to go to court against these replica manufacturers, the result would be without a doubt in Powerhouse Amuses' favor. Just because you think it's expensive, it doesn't give you the right to copy that product. Call it whatever you want...influence, flattery, whatever....it's still plagiarism. Just because you refuse to take action at someone copying your work, it doesn't make it right. The right to give or deny permission to replicate and sell is rightfully & soley with the owner of the original design. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

09-06-2012, 04:47 PM	#126 (permalink)
VDC_OFF A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston (Pearland) Age: 44 Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	so any more updates on the car yet I really want those carbon door pieces, would match great when I get my carbon fiber seats! __________________ DRIFTING JOURNAL \| Follow me on Instagram \| Facebook \| Houston Halos

09-06-2012, 05:04 PM	#128 (permalink)
simota1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dededo, Guam Posts: 6,642 Drives: solid red 370z 6mt Rep Power: 405	holey moley man.... so much static in this thread.... imma agree with birdman imma ostrich this one too... seriously though... i honestly dont think it was billet intention in any way of trying to promote buying cf replica amuse or other cf body parts he just wanted to show his nice pics of his car.... __________________ *TOP SECRET/POWERHOUSE AMUSE/ARC/DAYTONA RACING/VARIS/MINES/GANADOR/J-LINE/WORK EMOTION CR KAI/GT SPEC/CARBON SIGNAL/ZOOM ENGINEERING/ CARBON FIBER ELEMENT/STILLEN/*

09-06-2012, 05:09 PM	#129 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	pics from this past weekend: __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now Last edited by HKYStormFront; 09-06-2012 at 05:20 PM.

09-06-2012, 05:10 PM	#130 (permalink)
VDC_OFF A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston (Pearland) Age: 44 Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	That first pic is the one I was referring to. But the whole car is __________________ DRIFTING JOURNAL \| Follow me on Instagram \| Facebook \| Houston Halos

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