Found out why the fx1 is hard and the forza is not. The fx1 is a true bucket/shell seat. So without a small pad you're sitting on hard plastic or whatever. The forza is metal springs across the bottom and probably the back with cloth put on over it. It's just like any seat ever made. The spring seat has more give and more comfort.

Do any of these seats fit us big boys? :tup: I'm 6'0 and around 250lbs. Want some red racing seats. Not looking for super light seats. Just want some cool red ones that'll match the interior of the 40th :tup: rep for anyone who can find these cuz idk the first thing about looking for seats

Measure your azz. See if it will fit from the seat specs on the manufacturers pages. I'm tall and thin and fit very tight in the fx1 corbeau which is 18" across.

Not trying to start a debate or anything, but wouldn't replacing the seats compromise safety? I want to put some buckets in my z, but eliminating the airbag in the seat makes me nervous. Also, from my understanding, putting 5 point harnesses in a street car is also dangerous (if your roll and don't have a roll cage). So is it better to run 3 point harnesses with bucket seats? So I guess my question is... Do buckets really make the car more dangerous? I want to get buckets, but I'm on the fence.

Well cars for years have gotten 5 star crash ratings without seat air bags. And since a bucket seat holds you in and protects your hips etc, I'd say its way safer than a standard seat where you can flop around and slide left and right into that seat airbag! As for a 5 point, again that's safer because it holds you in. Not sure what a roll cage has to do with anything. If you roll a 3 point doesn't hold your nuts in. Roll cage or not, in a roll I don't want my head hitting the ceiling.

It all depends on what kind of seats you get. If you cut corners and get a pair of "sport seats" from eBay for a too good of a price (e.g. $200.00 with harnesses), you just might become paralyzed in the case of a crash. You get some reputable name brands then safety is in your favor as that's the point of sports seats. All FIA approved seats are safety tested which is how they receive such designation. As far as harnesses go, assuming that the vehicle has proper reinforcements to attach such a device, a good compromise is a four-point harness with anti-submarining feature (What is anti-submarining?).

As far as I'm concerned, with replacing seats comes with the necessity to lose some airbags. It's all up to you at that point. I love how I feel that much more engaged with the car overall with my Sparco seats.

The argument on most forums against 5+pt belts with harness bars in a rollover is that it does hold you in place and the roof will collapse. The reason why 3pt is ok is that your body will roll down as the roof collapses.

^ What he said. In a stock safety setup, if you roll over and the roof caves in, the system is designed to let your body fall out of the way (towards the inside). When you're strapped into a harness system, you're stuck straight up. That can turn a bad rollover accident into a fatal one, as the harnesses hold your spine in place for the roof to cave in and crush it. You really should run a roll cage (even just a 4-point) with any real harness system. Harness-bar setups are dangerous in a roll.

Hmm. Interesting. But a fixed bucket seat seams like more of the issue vs the 5pt. I can see that happening I guess with a 5pt and a OEM seat, but once you add the bucket seat its a moot point with the belt. Who knows though.

aren't there some GT3's and such cars with a race set up from the factory? Do they have cages? I can't see them using a cage if the driver doesn't wear a helmet 24/7. FYI jeep wranglers have a "roll cage" or enough to bash your brains in. The 2" padding wouldn't do much with no helmet.

With a 3-point belt (no strap over the inside shoulder), you'll still fall in (as opposed to crushing your spine straight down from the top), regardless of the seat. It might not be as pretty in a bucket (but then again if it's a recliner bucket they're not very strong anyways - whereas maybe a fixed aluminum bucket with big walls is more an issue). I've never heard of a factory car that comes with harnesses and no cage, but I suppose they could exist somewhere.

Hmm, I just googled gt3 and they only have a rear cage, 3pt, and reclining bucket racing seats. I know I've seen 5pt but it must have been aftermarket.

Where do people mount there harnesses?

To their cages! :)

Well yea haha but if we don't have cages?

Then you don't mount one.