F1 Style Rear Blinker

CBRich · 08-08-2009, 10:01 PM

This is the setup I plan to use for my fog light. Let me know if this just plain won't work as I expect it to and why or if this can be simplified while retaining all functions I have designed. This should cause toggle or brake to result in solid fog. Reverse to result in flashing fog. Reverse with either toggle or brake on flashing. Thanks for the help guys.

Sample Parts:

3 Pin Electronic LED Flasher: Virtual Village - US
Bosch Style 5 Pin 30 - 40 Amp Relay W/ Resistor
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...68&tab=summary

355890 · 08-08-2009, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

This is the setup I plan to use for my fog light. Let me know if this just plain won't work as I expect it to and why or if this can be simplified while retaining all functions I have designed. This should cause toggle or brake to result in solid fog. Reverse to result in flashing fog. Reverse with either toggle or brake on flashing. Thanks for the help guys.

Sample Parts:

3 Pin Electronic LED Flasher: Virtual Village - US
Bosch Style 5 Pin 30 - 40 Amp Relay W/ Resistor
Parts-Express.com:12V-1W Zener Diode | zener diode zener diodes diode 12v

You think you don't know anything, well my head must be in a paper bag then.

Question:

What is the purpose of a Diode?

Why a resistor as well as the flasher? I understand the flasher...

Are the pictures of the brake, toggle and reverse the lines that go into the tail lamp assembly.

All I was trying to do was to have the fog lamp blink 3 or 4 times when I brake then go to a solid RED until I let my foot off the brake pedal. The addtional blinking while reversing would be nice but not essential.

This is a good thread for most of us

INSURANCE101 · 08-08-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I would be interested if it could also function as a rear fog light.

i agree, and priced accordingly

CBRich · 08-09-2009, 01:05 AM

A diode keeps the current from bleeding back to the other side. Otherwise activating the toggle switch turn on the brake and reverse lights. There is no resistor, it is a 5 pin relay. This allows the setup to default to a solid non blinking form until reverse is activated. At that point the current from the reverse lights throws the switch inside the relay directing the current toward the flash. The results is that by default the toggle switch and brake lights activate a solid light while reverse throws the switch resulting in a blinking light.

Flashingbrakelights.com has a nice module which will blink six times and then stay solid upon braking. If this is all you need you can purchase from them. In addition to what they have I am also wanting to add external control for a solid fog and blinking in reverse, not just six times but until I am no longer in reverse.

355890 · 08-09-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

A diode keeps the current from bleeding back to the other side. Otherwise activating the toggle switch turn on the brake and reverse lights. There is no resistor, it is a 5 pin relay. This allows the setup to default to a solid non blinking form until reverse is activated. At that point the current from the reverse lights throws the switch inside the relay directing the current toward the flash. The results is that by default the toggle switch and brake lights activate a solid light while reverse throws the switch resulting in a blinking light.

Flashingbrakelights.com has a nice module which will blink six times and then stay solid upon braking. If this is all you need you can purchase from them. In addition to what they have I am also wanting to add external control for a solid fog and blinking in reverse, not just six times but until I am no longer in reverse.

I just learned something.

Thank you.

Rogue Z · 08-10-2009, 01:56 AM

holy **** CBRich..is there ne way we can get a DIY for thiis set up for the noobs?

Mr_Z · 08-10-2009, 12:30 PM

Anyone has some info about the "Body Control Module (BCM)"... (wires color chart, etc)

I understand that the orange wire pluged-in the BCM pin number 24 is the + that goes to the rear fog light.

What I would like is to know where to plug the module from “flashingbrakelights.com” in order to have the flashing fog light when pushing on the brakes …

Is there is a break light cable that comes out of the BCM as well… If yes, what color is it??

Also, I wonder if the braking on/off switch is before or after the BCM… Because if it is after, then that won’t work and the light will always be on.

Any suggestion or info?? Thanks a lot

CBRich · 08-10-2009, 05:49 PM

At this point I'm not even sure my setup would work as I'm just learning about this stuff as I go. But I plan to order the necessary parts and try it out.

wstar · 08-10-2009, 06:14 PM

A couple points about your parts list and plans:

1) You're linking to a Zener Diode, which is probably not want you want. You probably want a regular old diode. Zener diodes are designed to allow reverse current flow when the voltage potential exceeds a certain preset, in the case of the one you linked, 12V

.

2) That 3-pin flasher module you've linked sounds like its intended to flash at the same rate as typical turn-signal flashes, which is significantly slower than what an F1 rear blinker would flash like.

CBRich · 08-10-2009, 06:22 PM

Thanks wstar. If you look I edited my post with the correct diode soon after posting it but it had already been quoted. Do you see any issues with the new diode?

Also, I was just looking for a standard blink rate but if you have a link to one with a bit quicker flash I wouldn't mind checking it out. Thanks for the feedback.

Edit: Possible Flasher

wstar · 08-11-2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

Thanks wstar. If you look I edited my post with the correct diode soon after posting it but it had already been quoted. Do you see any issues with the new diode?

Also, I was just looking for a standard blink rate but if you have a link to one with a bit quicker flash I wouldn't mind checking it out. Thanks for the feedback.

Edit: Possible Flasher

Oops, guess I was looking at the quoted copy

Yeah that diode looks good, assuming 1A is enough current. You might double-check the current draw of the flasher + the LED tail-light to make sure that 1A continuous is plenty for the both of them. I have a feeling with how bright the LEDs people use in car lights are, it might be an issue. If it is, just pick another diode in the same series with a higher current rating.

CBRich · 08-11-2009, 02:34 PM

I may be using the standard bulb that comes with the light which is not LED. In that case would a no load flasher still work fine? I'll have to check the draw of the standard light also to see what it looks like.

CBRich · 08-11-2009, 03:38 PM

Just did some calculations on the bulb that comes with the lamp. It is 21W at 12V so 1.75A is what that comes out to. So using a 3A diode should be sufficient. Such as this:

3 AMP 100 V FAST-RECOVERY RECTIFIER | AllElectronics.com

wstar · 08-11-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

Just did some calculations on the bulb that comes with the lamp. It is 21W at 12V so 1.75A is what that comes out to. So using a 3A diode should be sufficient. Such as this:

3 AMP 100 V FAST-RECOVERY RECTIFIER | AllElectronics.com

Don't forget you're driving the flasher from the diodes as well, so add the flasher's current draw too. And don't ask me anything about automotive bulb flasher modules, I have no clue

NewYorkJon34 · 08-11-2009, 05:12 PM

Is there any kits out now where it keeps the stock black look, but keeps flashes red when I am braking & backing out?

08-08-2009, 10:01 PM	#106 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Check My Work This is the setup I plan to use for my fog light. Let me know if this just plain won't work as I expect it to and why or if this can be simplified while retaining all functions I have designed. This should cause toggle or brake to result in solid fog. Reverse to result in flashing fog. Reverse with either toggle or brake on flashing. Thanks for the help guys. Sample Parts: 3 Pin Electronic LED Flasher: Virtual Village - US Bosch Style 5 Pin 30 - 40 Amp Relay W/ Resistor http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...68&tab=summary Last edited by CBRich; 08-09-2009 at 03:22 PM.

08-10-2009, 12:30 PM	#112 (permalink)
Mr_Z Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 67 Drives: 2009 370Z PG-M6 Rep Power: 16	Body Control Module (BCM) Anyone has some info about the "Body Control Module (BCM)"... (wires color chart, etc) I understand that the orange wire pluged-in the BCM pin number 24 is the + that goes to the rear fog light. What I would like is to know where to plug the module from “flashingbrakelights.com” in order to have the flashing fog light when pushing on the brakes … Is there is a break light cable that comes out of the BCM as well… If yes, what color is it?? Also, I wonder if the braking on/off switch is before or after the BCM… Because if it is after, then that won’t work and the light will always be on. Any suggestion or info?? Thanks a lot __________________ 2005 350Z 35th - SilverStone 2009 370Z Touring/Sport - Platinum Grey

08-10-2009, 06:14 PM	#114 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	A couple points about your parts list and plans: 1) You're linking to a Zener Diode, which is probably not want you want. You probably want a regular old diode. Zener diodes are designed to allow reverse current flow when the voltage potential exceeds a certain preset, in the case of the one you linked, 12V . 2) That 3-pin flasher module you've linked sounds like its intended to flash at the same rate as typical turn-signal flashes, which is significantly slower than what an F1 rear blinker would flash like. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-10-2009, 06:22 PM	#115 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Thanks wstar. If you look I edited my post with the correct diode soon after posting it but it had already been quoted. Do you see any issues with the new diode? Also, I was just looking for a standard blink rate but if you have a link to one with a bit quicker flash I wouldn't mind checking it out. Thanks for the feedback. Edit: Possible Flasher Last edited by CBRich; 08-10-2009 at 07:01 PM.

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08-09-2009, 01:05 AM	#109 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	A diode keeps the current from bleeding back to the other side. Otherwise activating the toggle switch turn on the brake and reverse lights. There is no resistor, it is a 5 pin relay. This allows the setup to default to a solid non blinking form until reverse is activated. At that point the current from the reverse lights throws the switch inside the relay directing the current toward the flash. The results is that by default the toggle switch and brake lights activate a solid light while reverse throws the switch resulting in a blinking light. Flashingbrakelights.com has a nice module which will blink six times and then stay solid upon braking. If this is all you need you can purchase from them. In addition to what they have I am also wanting to add external control for a solid fog and blinking in reverse, not just six times but until I am no longer in reverse.

08-10-2009, 01:56 AM	#111 (permalink)
Rogue Z Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 559 Drives: 2009 Silver MT 370Z Rep Power: 18	holy **** CBRich..is there ne way we can get a DIY for thiis set up for the noobs?

08-10-2009, 05:49 PM	#113 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	At this point I'm not even sure my setup would work as I'm just learning about this stuff as I go. But I plan to order the necessary parts and try it out.

08-11-2009, 02:34 PM	#117 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	I may be using the standard bulb that comes with the light which is not LED. In that case would a no load flasher still work fine? I'll have to check the draw of the standard light also to see what it looks like.

08-11-2009, 03:38 PM	#118 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Just did some calculations on the bulb that comes with the lamp. It is 21W at 12V so 1.75A is what that comes out to. So using a 3A diode should be sufficient. Such as this: 3 AMP 100 V FAST-RECOVERY RECTIFIER \| AllElectronics.com

08-11-2009, 05:12 PM	#120 (permalink)
NewYorkJon34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 3,041 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z Rep Power: 1065	Is there any kits out now where it keeps the stock black look, but keeps flashes red when I am braking & backing out?