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sbkim 02-14-2009 08:12 PM

Chin spoiler - is this part of the sports pkg?
 
Never saw this but evidently you can paint to match

http://i24.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/2c/8a/3440_1.JPG

Is this part of sport pkg? I haven't seen it before.

eBay Motors: 2009 370Z FRONT CHIN SPOILER PAINTED TO MATCH (item 270333432888 end time Feb-19-09 20:00:36 PST)


Never mind - I see that sports pkg have em. I've seen a few cars with sport pkg without this spoiler. Anyone going to paint their to match?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3301/...0a629e1f_b.jpg

SoCal 370Z 02-14-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sbkim (Post 30956)
Anyone going to paint their to match?

Too much of a sacrificial part to paint IMHO. We left our off, for now.

BanningZ 02-14-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 30975)
Too much of a sacrificial part to paint IMHO. We left our off, for now.

x2

On the first day of ownership people were scraping these up. Its just a redesigned scrape plate. all cars have em, and i could never see painting one.

What I am curious of is if it truly makes an aerodynamic difference Or just adds weight.

epod86 02-21-2009 11:38 PM

My basic aerodynamics tells me it will make some sort of difference. what it's intended to do is "trip" airflow passing under the car from laminar flow to turbulent flow. The reason being is that laminar flow under the car can contribute to the 'airfoil' effect, in that the shape of a car resemble and airfoil and a car tends to generate life just from it's shape. only laminar flow is consistent enough to generate a pressure gradient between the top and bottom due to the curvature of the car. By inducing turbulent flow, the airfoil effect is reduced. the airfoil effect also has the downside of introducing wake drag, a side effect of being shaped like a airfoil. By having a front spoiler that introduces turbulence, and a rear spoiler that produces down-force, alters the flow direction, and introduces turbulence, you get a car with less lift and less drag. this can also be accomplished by changing the cars "angle of attack," sometimes called the "rake" of the car, or how high the back end is, thought raising the back end does not decrease drag as much as changing the flow profile.

Hope this helps give you an idea. But in general, aerodynamics is a game of millimeters. On a modern jet liner, a difference of 10^-9 (.0000001% or less) in the coefficient of drag is 25-50 passenger miles (airplane can carry additional 25-50 passenger on it's designed leg length, weird metric name, I know). having a .01 difference in drag (from .30 to .29) is 3%, which is pretty substantial. Plus the claims of zero lift, you've got pretty impressive aerodynamics in addition to a car that's already a steal for it's price.

Asheth 02-22-2009 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by epod86 (Post 33934)
My basic aerodynamics tells me it will make some sort of difference. what it's intended to do is "trip" airflow passing under the car from laminar flow to turbulent flow. The reason being is that laminar flow under the car can contribute to the 'airfoil' effect, in that the shape of a car resemble and airfoil and a car tends to generate life just from it's shape. only laminar flow is consistent enough to generate a pressure gradient between the top and bottom due to the curvature of the car. By inducing turbulent flow, the airfoil effect is reduced. the airfoil effect also has the downside of introducing wake drag, a side effect of being shaped like a airfoil. By having a front spoiler that introduces turbulence, and a rear spoiler that produces down-force, alters the flow direction, and introduces turbulence, you get a car with less lift and less drag. this can also be accomplished by changing the cars "angle of attack," sometimes called the "rake" of the car, or how high the back end is, thought raising the back end does not decrease drag as much as changing the flow profile.

Hope this helps give you an idea. But in general, aerodynamics is a game of millimeters. On a modern jet liner, a difference of 10^-9 (.0000001% or less) in the coefficient of drag is 25-50 passenger miles (airplane can carry additional 25-50 passenger on it's designed leg length, weird metric name, I know). having a .01 difference in drag (from .30 to .29) is 3%, which is pretty substantial. Plus the claims of zero lift, you've got pretty impressive aerodynamics in addition to a car that's already a steal for it's price.

Excellent info +1

3SeventyZ 02-22-2009 05:27 AM

I opted to not install the chin spoiler when I purchased the sport Z.
I think it looks cleaner without.

m4a1mustang 02-22-2009 09:24 AM

I like it. I think it makes it look a little more aggressive and balances the rear spoiler out a bit with the sport package. I guess I'm partial to chin spoilers, though. Both of my Mustangs had them.

DIGItonium 02-22-2009 12:00 PM

It is going to get torn apart especially with the driveways and holes we have here.

epod86 02-22-2009 12:49 PM

anyone have the actual measurements on how far off the the ground it is?

rsboland 02-22-2009 02:54 PM

I have owned mine for two weeks and have already busted the clip on the right side off. :icon14: If you plan on driving it around suburb areas, it's going to be broken in no time. But, I'll probably be a sucker and go fix it anyway. Haha.

epod86 02-22-2009 06:33 PM

Here's another question: how easy is it to pop on and off? If you have to jack it up to get at some screws, well, it might be worth keeping off. If it can be popped on and off, pop it on when you're at the track or know you won't come across a speed-bump/ramp/pothole/real road :).

SoCal 370Z 02-22-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by epod86 (Post 34166)
Here's another question: how easy is it to pop on and off? If you have to jack it up to get at some screws, well, it might be worth keeping off. If it can be popped on and off, pop it on when you're at the track or know you won't come across a speed-bump/ramp/pothole/real road :).

Unfortunately, there is no popping on and off as it is pop-riveted in place. I am going to be using threaded rivets so I can use fasteners versus pop rivets.

epod86 02-23-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 34178)
Unfortunately, there is no popping on and off as it is pop-riveted in place. I am going to be using threaded rivets so I can use fasteners versus pop rivets.

nuttbunnies. Wonder if it could be rigged up with a linear actuator, put a switch in the cabin. Would that be ricing it too much?

DIGItonium 02-23-2009 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by epod86 (Post 34474)
nuttbunnies. Wonder if it could be rigged up with a linear actuator, put a switch in the cabin. Would that be ricing it too much?

You might end up knocking out the linear actuators before you get to scrape the lip lol.

epod86 02-24-2009 11:05 AM

Wonder if a really loose dashpot cylinder would work. Plastic probably isn't heavy enough to reset it down after a strike though. Probably not stiff enough either. Guess that 3% is going to fall off eventually huh?

SoCal 370Z 02-24-2009 11:34 AM

Front Spoiler Package Contents
 
Here are some photographs of the spoiler. It is affixed in place through nine (9) pop rivets, and four tabs (two at each end).

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...nt-spoiler.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...72-spoiler.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...pop-rivets.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...-rivet-bag.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...5-end-tabs.jpg

rsboland 02-24-2009 04:10 PM

How much do they cost from the dealer?

epod86 02-24-2009 04:38 PM

The aero package is $650 on nissan's site. As for straight from the dealer not installed, anybodies guess.

silverpence 02-27-2009 11:45 PM

So anybody has ground clearance numbers when the spoiler is actually installed?

dandg 02-28-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rsboland (Post 34108)
I have owned mine for two weeks and have already busted the clip on the right side off. :icon14: If you plan on driving it around suburb areas, it's going to be broken in no time. But, I'll probably be a sucker and go fix it anyway. Haha.

Same thing happened to mine, except I took it to a tire place and the person parked it right over the curb. A few days later I noticed it was detached at both ends and all 4 clips were broken :(

I'm going to try and fix it with 3M Plastic Emblem Adhesive

dandg 02-28-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by silverpence (Post 36622)
So anybody has ground clearance numbers when the spoiler is actually installed?

I just measured, seems to have about 4.5 inches of clearance

dad 02-28-2009 05:15 PM

According to Nissan Sport Magazine, the 370 and 350 spoilers are basically the same. Find a wrecked 350, and save yourself some money.

NorCalZman 02-28-2009 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epod86 (Post 35049)
The aero package is $650 on nissan's site. As for straight from the dealer not installed, anybodies guess.

Not to bad! CourtesyParts :: Nissan Front Chin Aero Deflector (unpainted) - 2009 370Z

Front spoiler for my SS was much much more expensive.

silverpence 03-04-2009 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dandg (Post 36870)
I just measured, seems to have about 4.5 inches of clearance

Interesting, that would then seem to be a little less than for the 350Z but not by much, probably lower by a few tenths of an inch...

rsboland 03-04-2009 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NorCalZman (Post 36981)
Not to bad! CourtesyParts :: Nissan Front Chin Aero Deflector (unpainted) - 2009 370Z

Front spoiler for my SS was much much more expensive.

Good find! I'll be bookmarking that for when I break mine off :driving:

kailua 03-05-2009 11:55 PM

Owned my 370z for about a week and the spoiler sits really low. I've managed to scrape it on speedbumps as well as driveways. Why anyone would want to get one body color painted is questionable. It would scrape all the paint off in a couple weeks.

Robert_Nash 03-16-2009 11:18 AM

Having any sort of aerodynamics on a vehicle, whether manufacturer or aftermarket parts, requires special consideration when driving (or at least when pulling into/out of driveways, etc.). In many respects, it's no different than the need to be extra careful with wheels with partially or fully exposed lips...caution is the operative word.

Now...I have what may be a stupid question so please forgive me if it is but is there more than one (factory) style of front spoiler for the 370Z? By that I mean do 370s without the "sport" package get a milder spoiler and those with the sport package get a more aggressive one?

Edit: I've been using CourtesyParts.com for several years now - they are great people to work with!

SoCal 370Z 03-16-2009 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 44216)
...is there more than one (factory) style of front spoiler for the 370Z? By that I mean do 370s without the "sport" package get a milder spoiler and those with the sport package get a more aggressive one?

The Sport package includes the spoiler, the others do not. There is only one Sport Package design (at the present time) spoiler.

Robert_Nash 03-16-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 44236)
The Sport package includes the spoiler, the others do not. There is only one Sport Package design (at the present time) spoiler.

I'm sure you are right...I asked because it looked to me as if the spoiler on mine was slightly different from both ones I've seen pictures of and even one I looked at closely in our packing lot this morning! :)

SoCal 370Z 03-16-2009 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert_Nash (Post 44251)
I'm sure you are right...I asked because it looked to me as if the spoiler on mine was slightly different from both ones I've seen pictures of and even one I looked at closely in our packing lot this morning! :)

There are three pieces to it: the two sides, and the long center piece. The two side pieces are not shown in the photo below:

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...nt-spoiler.jpg

Maybe someone got tired of scraping theirs and cut it down?

If you ever have yours off, can you please post the part number on the back of it? Thanks.

tranceformer 03-17-2009 01:11 PM

I'm considering removing my chin spoiler, I haven't even lowered the car yet and it's scraping on my driveway if I'm not careful.

AK370Z 03-17-2009 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranceformer (Post 44636)
I'm considering removing my chin spoiler, I haven't even lowered the car yet and it's scraping on my driveway if I'm not careful.

Jersey roads suck big time. That's why mine is in the attic. Not sure if I want to put it on because it'll just get damaged.

tranceformer 03-17-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 44638)
Jersey roads suck big time. That's why mine is in the attic. Not sure if I want to put it on because it'll just get damaged.

:werd:

Does anyone have a picture of one w/o the chin spoiler?

Robert_Nash 03-17-2009 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tranceformer (Post 44639)
:werd:

Does anyone have a picture of one w/o the chin spoiler?

I don't have a pic at the moment but it will look like mine!

I've confirmed that my 7AT Touring with the sport package does not have the front chin spoiler...what it does have is a "lip" that looks very, very similar to the 350Z spoiler. I don't know for sure but it looks to me as if the sport package front chin spoiler will sit "in front" of the basic lip I have.

Our center here at the plant told me this morning that these are supposed to be put on at the port of entry but that many of the early ones (I picked up mine in early January) didn't get tehm installed...so...they are ordering me the spoiler and I should have it in a couple of weeks.

If not one has posted one by then, I'll take a pic tonight and post it.

chubbs 03-17-2009 05:05 PM

front spoiler...

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g7...ontspoiler.jpg

AK370Z 03-17-2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranceformer (Post 44639)
:werd:

Does anyone have a picture of one w/o the chin spoiler?

I just went outside and took these pictures for you. :tup:

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...m/DSC01450.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...m/DSC01452.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...m/DSC01455.jpg

SoCal 370Z 03-17-2009 05:40 PM

Okay AK, you're crack'n me up now...that sacrificial edge molding on the chin spoiler! C'mon now, that molding is going to end up being wound around some kid's bicycle hub as it throws him from his seat after entanglement! My advice then: drive away slowly.

tranceformer 03-17-2009 07:02 PM

Hmmm, it doesn't look too bad without it.

Thanks for the pics!

Robert_Nash 03-17-2009 10:03 PM

I agree; they car doesn't look bad at all without it and I'd be happy with mine the way it is...then again, I do like the way the chin spoiler looks and the way the car looks with it and since I'm paying for it, I want it. :)

///M-Power 05-08-2009 08:11 AM

Chin spoiler removal
 
Has anyone here been able to remove their front chin spoiler? I'm having difficulty in removing the rivets and was hoping someone could help me out. Thanks!


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