Amuse Wing to APR?

yaoxiao4 · 04-09-2018, 12:36 PM

Hi,

I'm thinking about switching out my Fly1 CF Amuse wing to an APR wing because I've heard that it has better function, so I've been toying around with getting the GTC300 or 250 paired with some custom front splitter / rear diffusers.

Does anyone know how well the APR wings do in terms of DF vs Amuse? or had experience with both on the track?

Side note: Amuse wing would leave a lot of holes.... would it be hard to patch it up

James10694 · 05-16-2018, 03:07 AM

Unless you are serious about tracking your car and you actually need the functionality of a GT wing then just stick with the amuse wing. You would have to patch all the holes in your hatch left from the old wing and repaint the entire hatch. It would get pricey.

Hotrodz · 05-16-2018, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by James10694

Unless you are serious about tracking your car and you actually need the functionality of a GT wing then just stick with the amuse wing. You would have to patch all the holes in your hatch left from the old wing and repaint the entire hatch. It would get pricey.

^^^Agreed! I switched out my Nismo wing for APR GT300 and had the holes patch and painted. It looks great and very functional on the track. If you got the cash then do it. I would spend money on your suspension and track time if you are just starting to track.

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yaoxiao4 · 05-16-2018, 11:36 AM

So I actually just swapped the same coloured base hatch with someone else who wanted to buy my amuse wing and installed the APR wing which was convenient and no cost. However I'm getting a little more understeer than I would like now even at 0 AOA..

Hotrodz · 05-16-2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yaoxiao4

So I actually just swapped the same coloured base hatch with someone else who wanted to buy my amuse wing and installed the APR wing which was convenient and no cost. However I'm getting a little more understeer than I would like now even at 0 AOA..

Do you have any aero up front? If not add some to balance out the rear.

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cooltoy · 05-16-2018, 01:05 PM

He has an EVO-R lip.

yaoxiao4 · 05-16-2018, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Do you have any aero up front? If not add some to balance out the rear.

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have the EVO R lip right now, cooltoy knows everything :P

but I have an amuse bumper coming in a couple months (or whenever amuse decides to make it), and probably adding an aeroblitz splitter or a custom made one to try to balance it out. there might be things I could do with the suspension in the rear too, or maybe more neg camber for better turn in

Rusty · 05-21-2018, 12:30 AM

Do not put a wing on the rear unless you have a splitter and canards in the front. Because you will load the rear and lift the front at speed.

ososuavay · 05-21-2018, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by yaoxiao4

have the EVO R lip right now, cooltoy knows everything :P

but I have an amuse bumper coming in a couple months (or whenever amuse decides to make it), and probably adding an aeroblitz splitter or a custom made one to try to balance it out. there might be things I could do with the suspension in the rear too, or maybe more neg camber for better turn in

Don't even bother bro.. those splitters will not allow you to go over 100mph

yaoxiao4 · 05-21-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Do not put a wing on the rear unless you have a splitter and canards in the front. Because you will load the rear and lift the front at speed.

yup.. experiencing that right now, will be an interesting day at laguna seca next week..

my friend said my car looks like it squats whenever i accelerate

yaoxiao4 · 05-21-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ososuavay

Don't even bother bro.. those splitters will not allow you to go over 100mph

know any splitter that would? or have to be custom

Rusty · 05-21-2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yaoxiao4

yup.. experiencing that right now, will be an interesting day at laguna seca next week..

my friend said my car looks like it squats whenever i accelerate

They all squat when smashing the loud pedal. It's when you start to get up over 50 mph that things start to get interesting. The faster you go. The lighter the front will get with a wing and no splitter.

Eagle · 05-21-2018, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by yaoxiao4

Hi,

I'm thinking about switching out my Fly1 CF Amuse wing to an APR wing because I've heard that it has better function, so I've been toying around with getting the GTC300 or 250 paired with some custom front splitter / rear diffusers.

Does anyone know how well the APR wings do in terms of DF vs Amuse? or had experience with both on the track?

Side note: Amuse wing would leave a lot of holes.... would it be hard to patch it up

Down force from a GT wing versus a single element cosmetic wing is large.

The 09-14 nismo wing generates something like 150 lbs of downforce, i read that in an article a while back but can't find it anymore. Versus several hundred lbs of downforce generated by a GT wing. I've known people who have had to reinforce their hatch and had to put padding over the rear tail lights because the downforce was pushing the hatch down so much that the lights were cracking and the hatch was beginning to buckle.

Like everyone else said, don't run a GT wing without a chassis mounted front splitter. You won't be doing yourself any favors.

yaoxiao4 · 05-22-2018, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

Down force from a GT wing versus a single element cosmetic wing is large.

The 09-14 nismo wing generates something like 150 lbs of downforce, i read that in an article a while back but can't find it anymore. Versus several hundred lbs of downforce generated by a GT wing. I've known people who have had to reinforce their hatch and had to put padding over the rear tail lights because the downforce was pushing the hatch down so much that the lights were cracking and the hatch was beginning to buckle.

Like everyone else said, don't run a GT wing without a chassis mounted front splitter. You won't be doing yourself any favors.

yeah sounds like the general consensus in this thread, I will probably only hit up one more track day until the bumper arrives, splitter's made and maybe canards

Hotrodz · 05-22-2018, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

Down force from a GT wing versus a single element cosmetic wing is large.

The 09-14 nismo wing generates something like 150 lbs of downforce, i read that in an article a while back but can't find it anymore. Versus several hundred lbs of downforce generated by a GT wing. I've known people who have had to reinforce their hatch and had to put padding over the rear tail lights because the downforce was pushing the hatch down so much that the lights were cracking and the hatch was beginning to buckle.

Like everyone else said, don't run a GT wing without a chassis mounted front splitter. You won't be doing yourself any favors.

I was just at ZDAYZ and discussing this point with another go fast brother as my paint has cracked on the hatch due to the force exerted on it. I will be reinforcing the hatch this summer lol!

Also, at above 100 mph even the Nismo wing quits producing downforce. To optimize downforce you need to lower the car at least an inch to 2 inches as well.

04-09-2018, 12:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
yaoxiao4 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Bay Area Posts: 320 Drives: 13 370z Black M6 Rep Power: 8	Amuse Wing to APR? Hi, I'm thinking about switching out my Fly1 CF Amuse wing to an APR wing because I've heard that it has better function, so I've been toying around with getting the GTC300 or 250 paired with some custom front splitter / rear diffusers. Does anyone know how well the APR wings do in terms of DF vs Amuse? or had experience with both on the track? Side note: Amuse wing would leave a lot of holes.... would it be hard to patch it up

05-16-2018, 03:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
James10694 Track Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 917 Drives: 2010 370z Nismo Rep Power: 13	Unless you are serious about tracking your car and you actually need the functionality of a GT wing then just stick with the amuse wing. You would have to patch all the holes in your hatch left from the old wing and repaint the entire hatch. It would get pricey. F1N4LB0S5 likes this. __________________ Boosted Performance Single Turbo 618whp/489 tq

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cooltoy Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Calgary Posts: 13,973 Drives: 14 PW 370Z S/T MT Rep Power: 243722	He has an EVO-R lip. __________________ Member of kenchan's "photoshopped mods" and "proper offsets" gang.

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,220 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	Do not put a wing on the rear unless you have a splitter and canards in the front. Because you will load the rear and lift the front at speed. Eagle, Hotrodz and Spooler like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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05-16-2018, 11:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
yaoxiao4 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Bay Area Posts: 320 Drives: 13 370z Black M6 Rep Power: 8	So I actually just swapped the same coloured base hatch with someone else who wanted to buy my amuse wing and installed the APR wing which was convenient and no cost. However I'm getting a little more understeer than I would like now even at 0 AOA..