NEW Fringe XVO "Afterburner" Exhaust Tips

SgtGoldy · 04-18-2012, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I have personally seen, witnessed, and indeed harassed the Owner, Operator, Fabricator, Installer, and all around great guy Tony at Fast Intentions is. His product is 100% made in house in the USA and he is an awesome guy, who has a great shop that makes a beautiful exhaust. And I know I'm not the only satisfied customer here either.

I believe ARK exhausts are also made in the US if I'm not mistaken? They might be open to the idea as well. And theirs is similar in design to the HKS exhaust.

Only have ever heard amazing things about Tony. Haven't had the pleasure of doing buisness with him, but when I am in the market for exhaust... He'll be my go-to guy

FringeXVO · 04-18-2012, 04:23 AM

We are absolutely willing to collaborate with the right people to design and build whatever is needed to facilitate the installation of our tips onto another well built exhaust system. The renderings previously posted are just that, and they were designed for an HKS system because they were asked for...then no one moved on them.
Understand that any system manufacturer like ARK or FI is going to want to know that if they go through all the work to make this happen that it will pay off. They will have to buy the tips from us, then apply them to their system. If they don't sell, then they are stuck. Our tips are unique and different, and that isn't always good. People think they like different, but then they aren't willing to roll the dice, so they choose a tube. None of us are in the business of losing money, and I know we all know that.
I perceive that the middle ground here might be for someone to pre-pay for their system from one of the aforementioned manufacturers, and then the manufacturer and Fringe collaborate on getting the Afterburner tips installed in place of their usual set. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but it seems logical to me that if a buyer is willing to incur the cost of the exhaust system as well as the tips, then welding the Afterburner tips in place of the normal tips shouldn't incur much (if any) of an additional charge (if they are in fact made in-house). That said, we aren't the one's manufacturing the exhaust systems..so it is what it is.

We will contact FI and ARK and see if they are willing to experiment with at least one system.

Understand that IF they are willing, it will take some time (a week or so) for us to re-design a tip for their specific application...and once it is designed we have about a month lead time before the tips can be assembled, finished, and then sent to the exhaust system manufacturer. I have no idea how long they need to assemble a system and install our tips.

That will be one lucky SOB who gets that system, and one sexy Z/G that gets to wear them.

G37sHKS · 04-18-2012, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeXVO

We are absolutely willing to collaborate with the right people to design and build whatever is needed to facilitate the installation of our tips onto another well built exhaust system. The renderings previously posted are just that, and they were designed for an HKS system because they were asked for...then no one moved on them.
Understand that any system manufacturer like ARK or FI is going to want to know that if they go through all the work to make this happen that it will pay off. They will have to buy the tips from us, then apply them to their system. If they don't sell, then they are stuck. Our tips are unique and different, and that isn't always good. People think they like different, but then they aren't willing to roll the dice, so they choose a tube. None of us are in the business of losing money, and I know we all know that.
I perceive that the middle ground here might be for someone to pre-pay for their system from one of the aforementioned manufacturers, and then the manufacturer and Fringe collaborate on getting the Afterburner tips installed in place of their usual set. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but it seems logical to me that if a buyer is willing to incur the cost of the exhaust system as well as the tips, then welding the Afterburner tips in place of the normal tips shouldn't incur much (if any) of an additional charge (if they are in fact made in-house). That said, we aren't the one's manufacturing the exhaust systems..so it is what it is.

We will contact FI and ARK and see if they are willing to experiment with at least one system.

Understand that IF they are willing, it will take some time (a week or so) for us to re-design a tip for their specific application...and once it is designed we have about a month lead time before the tips can be assembled, finished, and then sent to the exhaust system manufacturer. I have no idea how long they need to assemble a system and install our tips.

That will be one lucky SOB who gets that system, and one sexy Z/G that gets to wear them.

I already pm'd you about those tail pipes and you told me that you will inform me once you have them in production.. and now your saying no1 moved on..

You didnt informed us (well atleast me) that you have them for sale, but lemme know if you still do as im still interested.

wheee! · 04-18-2012, 08:28 AM

Need to see them mounted on an HKS system! I am concerned at how far they will extend from the bumper...

FringeXVO · 04-18-2012, 12:15 PM

Hmmmm...that could be our mistake, G37HKS, and I sincerely apologize for any miscommunication. By "move" on them, I mean "pull the trigger"...i.e. buy them. I got several responses but everyone that was interested was waiting on the installed pics...and we are not in a position to just get sets made, unfortunately. We completely understand your position as a buyer, so here we are...kinda stuck.

The lengths of the tips were calculated to be the same length as the tubes they are to replace, just like on the GTRs.

If two or three of you are willing to move on this, I will contact AK and get our vendor status renewed, then get these built ASAP. Once they are on the car we could refund $50 for several sweet pics of them installed. If any of you are in the Austin area and have the HKS system, we'd love to work directly with you. Thanks again everyone.

FringeXVO · 04-18-2012, 12:25 PM

One other thing. The development of the motorcycle version has spurred an update to the GTR design as well, so that it incorporates a cone inside instead of a straight inner tube. I'm going to apply the updates to the HKS Tip Replacements and see if we like it. If so, I'll see what I can do to get them photoshopped onto a z and G as accurately as possible. Pics from some of you with your cars with the HKS exhaust system would be needed.

To give you some idea of the design update, I've included to renderings below. The bottom pic illustrates the original and already produced GTR design side-by-side with the updated version. The new GTR design opens up a little more while retaining all the same outer dimensions, resulting in a lower taper angle. As stated above, it also uses a cone inside.

Send pics to chad.kassem@fringexvo.com or post them to our FB wall. We'll see what we can do with one Z pic and one G pic. Remember, you MUST have the HKS exhaust with HKS tips.

I also want it to be perfectly clear to the forum moderators that we will not accept a penny from anyone here until we have reestablished the proper permissions, and we appreciate them letting us hammer this out. Thanks!

wheee! · 04-18-2012, 01:50 PM

This is a pic of the HKS style replacement tip I had ordered from CNT. It gives you an idea of the length of the tip and what would be visible from where it bolts to the exhaust pipe. The CNT exhaust was too narrow to fit

My concern is the tabs would be VERY visible on the design you have come up with....

note how the HKS design slides over and completely hides the exhaust exit by about 2 inches.

This pic shows how the exhaust looks from the rear with the full width opening.

This pic shows the side view and coverage of the stock tip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeXVO

Alright, I know there are a few of you that are following this and we thought you'd like to give your input on what is shaping up to be the finalized design candidates. Here are two artists renderings of the Afterburner tip that will bolt onto an HKS exhaust section that has the removable tubes. Positive or negative, the input is always welcome, as long as it stays respectful. Thanks everyone.

FringeXVO · 04-18-2012, 03:27 PM

I remember these measurements being awkward. The HKS tips slip OVER the 4.5" OD exit tubing of the exhaust, as you point out. From what I can find, there is no such thing as thinwall tubing with an OD of 4.625" that is in the US, which is what those tip tubes are, iirc. The Afterburners are designed to butt up to the 4.5" exhaust exit, with the tabs sliding inside the exhaust section where they will pick up the mounting points.

I was definitely looking at different tips though, as these shown here are a couple of inches shorter, and the Afterburners, while mounting to that, will extend out that difference in length. At a glance, it appears these will extend the entire length of the fins. Let me look at something.
Thanks for the info! This is good data. There is no substitute for getting a hold of a local HKS car, but this may suffice. We have the technology.

Here are some updates of the updated design progress.

Send me a pic of the HKS exhaust on a car that is further away from the vehicle, please.

FringeXVO · 04-18-2012, 03:34 PM

Based on these pics provided by Wheee, a much shorter variant is in order. Hmmm. I'll have to think about it, then get it into CAD for you to see.

wheee! · 04-18-2012, 04:48 PM

This gives you an idea of the side profile and how much the exhaust tip is showing. Your design will have to slip over the stock components in order to hide the plain steel outlet of the HKS exhaust...

An extension (which is what you have basically designed so far) is going to project significantly past the bumper and leave about an 1 1/2" of steel exhaust showing....

Alstann · 04-21-2012, 01:41 PM

FringeXVO, don't suppose you have an email I can email you with? Sorry if I missed it earlier. I just took delivery of an HKS exhaust system, and I want to look into those replacement tips since those seem to be more viable.

wheee! · 04-21-2012, 01:55 PM

He's working on a new prototype that doesn't extend 4 inches past the bumper! Hope to see a new design soon....

Alstann · 04-21-2012, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheee!

He's working on a new prototype that doesn't extend 4 inches past the bumper! Hope to see a new design soon....

Ah, sweet. I think Sentinel Steel on Pearl White will look pretty swanky.

Especially with an EVO-R diffuser or something. I can just see it now...

Not to mention, I can always switch tips on the HKS system like the Motordyne system.

FringeXVO · 04-25-2012, 12:33 PM

I apologize for the delays. I am working on several possible solutions. I've had my main compy down and after days of switching power supply, RAM, and re-installing OS and other such nonsense, it turned out to be a freakin' $4.10 cmos battery. FML. I'm about to build a CAD rig with SSDs, RAID 10, and other goodies that will blow this legacy bastard out of the water. I have to go take a calc 3 test in a bit...but I will update in detail as soon as I have some updates.
My email should be on my profile?

I have not yet worked on the shortened HKS version yet, but we are going to be able to jig and replace any tips any of you have with ours at our location soon.

As far as FI or anyone else doing the tip installation, you will likely need to contact them and ask for that service yourself, as the customer.

G37sHKS · 04-25-2012, 01:04 PM

Please dont leave us HKS owner in middle of sea,
I'll buy your tips in a heart beat as long as the bolt is hidden

04-18-2012, 04:23 AM	#137 (permalink)
FringeXVO Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 142 Drives: 2JZJeep Rep Power: 14	We are absolutely willing to collaborate with the right people to design and build whatever is needed to facilitate the installation of our tips onto another well built exhaust system. The renderings previously posted are just that, and they were designed for an HKS system because they were asked for...then no one moved on them. Understand that any system manufacturer like ARK or FI is going to want to know that if they go through all the work to make this happen that it will pay off. They will have to buy the tips from us, then apply them to their system. If they don't sell, then they are stuck. Our tips are unique and different, and that isn't always good. People think they like different, but then they aren't willing to roll the dice, so they choose a tube. None of us are in the business of losing money, and I know we all know that. I perceive that the middle ground here might be for someone to pre-pay for their system from one of the aforementioned manufacturers, and then the manufacturer and Fringe collaborate on getting the Afterburner tips installed in place of their usual set. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but it seems logical to me that if a buyer is willing to incur the cost of the exhaust system as well as the tips, then welding the Afterburner tips in place of the normal tips shouldn't incur much (if any) of an additional charge (if they are in fact made in-house). That said, we aren't the one's manufacturing the exhaust systems..so it is what it is. We will contact FI and ARK and see if they are willing to experiment with at least one system. Understand that IF they are willing, it will take some time (a week or so) for us to re-design a tip for their specific application...and once it is designed we have about a month lead time before the tips can be assembled, finished, and then sent to the exhaust system manufacturer. I have no idea how long they need to assemble a system and install our tips. That will be one lucky SOB who gets that system, and one sexy Z/G that gets to wear them. __________________ http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...uitySigpic.jpg We exist to do great things. FringeXVO-Mech Design Fab

04-18-2012, 08:28 AM	#139 (permalink)
wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 58 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	Need to see them mounted on an HKS system! I am concerned at how far they will extend from the bumper... __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

04-18-2012, 12:15 PM	#140 (permalink)
FringeXVO Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 142 Drives: 2JZJeep Rep Power: 14	Hmmmm...that could be our mistake, G37HKS, and I sincerely apologize for any miscommunication. By "move" on them, I mean "pull the trigger"...i.e. buy them. I got several responses but everyone that was interested was waiting on the installed pics...and we are not in a position to just get sets made, unfortunately. We completely understand your position as a buyer, so here we are...kinda stuck. The lengths of the tips were calculated to be the same length as the tubes they are to replace, just like on the GTRs. If two or three of you are willing to move on this, I will contact AK and get our vendor status renewed, then get these built ASAP. Once they are on the car we could refund $50 for several sweet pics of them installed. If any of you are in the Austin area and have the HKS system, we'd love to work directly with you. Thanks again everyone. __________________ http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...uitySigpic.jpg We exist to do great things. FringeXVO-Mech Design Fab Last edited by FringeXVO; 04-18-2012 at 12:17 PM.

04-18-2012, 12:25 PM	#141 (permalink)
FringeXVO Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 142 Drives: 2JZJeep Rep Power: 14	One other thing. The development of the motorcycle version has spurred an update to the GTR design as well, so that it incorporates a cone inside instead of a straight inner tube. I'm going to apply the updates to the HKS Tip Replacements and see if we like it. If so, I'll see what I can do to get them photoshopped onto a z and G as accurately as possible. Pics from some of you with your cars with the HKS exhaust system would be needed. To give you some idea of the design update, I've included to renderings below. The bottom pic illustrates the original and already produced GTR design side-by-side with the updated version. The new GTR design opens up a little more while retaining all the same outer dimensions, resulting in a lower taper angle. As stated above, it also uses a cone inside. Send pics to chad.kassem@fringexvo.com or post them to our FB wall. We'll see what we can do with one Z pic and one G pic. Remember, you MUST have the HKS exhaust with HKS tips. I also want it to be perfectly clear to the forum moderators that we will not accept a penny from anyone here until we have reestablished the proper permissions, and we appreciate them letting us hammer this out. Thanks! __________________ http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...uitySigpic.jpg We exist to do great things. FringeXVO-Mech Design Fab Last edited by FringeXVO; 04-18-2012 at 12:36 PM.

04-18-2012, 03:27 PM	#143 (permalink)
FringeXVO Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 142 Drives: 2JZJeep Rep Power: 14	I remember these measurements being awkward. The HKS tips slip OVER the 4.5" OD exit tubing of the exhaust, as you point out. From what I can find, there is no such thing as thinwall tubing with an OD of 4.625" that is in the US, which is what those tip tubes are, iirc. The Afterburners are designed to butt up to the 4.5" exhaust exit, with the tabs sliding inside the exhaust section where they will pick up the mounting points. I was definitely looking at different tips though, as these shown here are a couple of inches shorter, and the Afterburners, while mounting to that, will extend out that difference in length. At a glance, it appears these will extend the entire length of the fins. Let me look at something. Thanks for the info! This is good data. There is no substitute for getting a hold of a local HKS car, but this may suffice. We have the technology. Here are some updates of the updated design progress. Send me a pic of the HKS exhaust on a car that is further away from the vehicle, please. __________________ http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...uitySigpic.jpg We exist to do great things. FringeXVO-Mech Design Fab Last edited by FringeXVO; 04-18-2012 at 03:51 PM.

04-18-2012, 03:34 PM	#144 (permalink)
FringeXVO Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 142 Drives: 2JZJeep Rep Power: 14	Based on these pics provided by Wheee, a much shorter variant is in order. Hmmm. I'll have to think about it, then get it into CAD for you to see. __________________ http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...uitySigpic.jpg We exist to do great things. FringeXVO-Mech Design Fab

04-18-2012, 04:48 PM	#145 (permalink)
wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 58 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	This gives you an idea of the side profile and how much the exhaust tip is showing. Your design will have to slip over the stock components in order to hide the plain steel outlet of the HKS exhaust... An extension (which is what you have basically designed so far) is going to project significantly past the bumper and leave about an 1 1/2" of steel exhaust showing.... __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

04-21-2012, 01:41 PM	#146 (permalink)
Alstann Track Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: South Florida Posts: 882 Drives: 12 PW 370z 6MT Sport Rep Power: 15	FringeXVO, don't suppose you have an email I can email you with? Sorry if I missed it earlier. I just took delivery of an HKS exhaust system, and I want to look into those replacement tips since those seem to be more viable. __________________ 2012 Pearl White 370Z GReddy Twin Turbo

04-21-2012, 01:55 PM	#147 (permalink)
wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 58 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	He's working on a new prototype that doesn't extend 4 inches past the bumper! Hope to see a new design soon.... __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

04-25-2012, 12:33 PM	#149 (permalink)
FringeXVO Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin Posts: 142 Drives: 2JZJeep Rep Power: 14	I apologize for the delays. I am working on several possible solutions. I've had my main compy down and after days of switching power supply, RAM, and re-installing OS and other such nonsense, it turned out to be a freakin' $4.10 cmos battery. FML. I'm about to build a CAD rig with SSDs, RAID 10, and other goodies that will blow this legacy bastard out of the water. I have to go take a calc 3 test in a bit...but I will update in detail as soon as I have some updates. My email should be on my profile? I have not yet worked on the shortened HKS version yet, but we are going to be able to jig and replace any tips any of you have with ours at our location soon. As far as FI or anyone else doing the tip installation, you will likely need to contact them and ask for that service yourself, as the customer. __________________ http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...uitySigpic.jpg We exist to do great things. FringeXVO-Mech Design Fab

04-25-2012, 01:04 PM	#150 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	Please dont leave us HKS owner in middle of sea, I'll buy your tips in a heart beat as long as the bolt is hidden

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*NEW* Fringe XVO "Afterburner" Exhaust Tips

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