New Product Release

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Has anyone ever been dynoed with the bumper off? I've seen countless dynos showing manufacturer claimed whp increases with the bumper on. I've been to plenty of dyno days and not once has the bumper come off - and people were still making more power than stock.

Is it just me, or does this smell like inventing a problem in order to sell a solution? This company only makes shift knobs for the Z34, and suddenly they're an authority on how to make power? Hell, they didn't even include a link to this article they claim justifies the need for this product.

*****************************************/ID/881/PageID/1000/Stillens-Gen-3-Nissan-370Z-Air-Intake-Tested.aspx

There is the link.

I understand your concern, but we have been making parts for Z's for the last decade that you don't even know about. They just don't have our name on them.

Also, I typically go by the general rule I was taught at a very young age.

" The faster you get the air in and out = The more power you make. "

I also have a very lengthy background in fabrication/engineering personally.

Not exactly the warm welcome I was hoping for from my Z community.

I understand skepticism, but this is bit far.

There are several of these parts going out to the following dealers for 3rd party dyno results.

Specialty Z
Z1 Motorsports
Concept Z Performance
Houston Z
and MotoIQ

All these companies offered right away to fit and test this part. Some agreeing that there is a known issue.

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Where is it located on the second picture of the stillen showing?

It is just the prototype behind on this one. There is no powder coat lol. Sorry for the confusion.

I will have better pics up for everyone tonight.

JARblue · 02-07-2018, 11:23 AM

So if the dyno showed a gain of 15 whp when the intake was originally installed with my front fascia on, based on the math it sounds like you claiming this product will provide an additional 14-22 whp. Is that the case?

Chuck33079 · 02-07-2018, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe@DewlaDez

*****************************************/ID/881/PageID/1000/Stillens-Gen-3-Nissan-370Z-Air-Intake-Tested.aspx

There is the link.

I understand your concern, but we have been making parts for Z's for the last decade that you don't even know about. They just don't have our name on them.

Also, I typically go by the general rule I was taught at a very young age.

" The faster you get the air in and out = The more power you make. "

I also have a very lengthy background in fabrication/engineering personally.

Not exactly the warm welcome I was hoping for from my Z community.

I understand skepticism, but this is bit far.

There are several of these parts going out to the following dealers for 3rd party dyno results.

Specialty Z
Z1 Motorsports
Concept Z Performance
Houston Z
and MotoIQ

All these companies offered right away to fit and test this part. Some agreeing that there is a known issue.

It's entirely possible that you're right. I'll happily admit it if that's the case. I'm just confused since no one dynos their car with the bumper off and many people here have dyno charts showing gains in line with what the intake manufacturers expect. Then you make a post with some claims to the contrary, and do not provide any backup except an article from 2009 - and we had to drag that out of you. You should have led with your supporting information and some real world proof. You did neither. I'll profusely apologize once we see that you're selling a good product, not just more of the snake oil bs that cars get right around the time that they've reached the end of the line.

I'm sorry you feel personally attacked by me asking for more proof than you initially provided. Tell you what - no bs - post up some 3rd party same day before and after dyno sheets showing these gains, and I'll buy you a six pack in apology (I'd say I'd buy one, but my intakes aren't even in the same zip code as stock). I hope you are bringing a good product to market, there's just a lot of vendors these days who like to throw around bold claims with limited proof and many of us here are skeptical.

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

So if the dyno showed a gain of 15 whp when the intake was originally installed with my front fascia on, based on the math it sounds like you claiming this product will provide an additional 14-22 whp. Is that the case?

I am not claiming those numbers or any numbers particularly. All I am claiming is that I made a device that literally shovels air into your filters. When we A/B test this part, we could physically tell a huge difference. Mainly on low-mid torque in comparison to it being off of the car.

In my own theory of a product like this, it would be really hard to get a solid consistent number out of it, as it is heavily dependent on vehicle speed. On a Dyno, that will be a bit tough to replicate.

If you are skeptical, I understand.

Wait for the dyno results and people to get them on their cars and report back.

As far as price goes. We felt that it was pretty reasonable considering all these expenses have to be accounted for.

Material
Laser CNC Cut
CNC bent
Powder Coat
Custom Boxes
Packing material
Custom machined bracket and hardware
R&D for several months on and off.

If you really think about it, there is a bit more to a product than most consider.

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's entirely possible that you're right. I'll happily admit it if that's the case. I'm just confused since no one dynos their car with the bumper off and many people here have dyno charts showing gains in line with what the intake manufacturers expect. Then you make a post with some claims to the contrary, and do not provide any backup except an article from 2009 - and we had to drag that out of you. You should have led with your supporting information and some real world proof. You did neither. I'll profusely apologize once we see that you're selling a good product, not just more of the snake oil bs that cars get right around the time that they've reached the end of the line.

I'm sorry you feel personally attacked by me asking for more proof than you initially provided. Tell you what - no bs - post up some 3rd party same day before and after dyno sheets showing these gains, and I'll buy you a six pack in apology (I'd say I'd buy one, but my intakes aren't even in the same zip code as stock). I hope you are bringing a good product to market, there's just a lot of vendors these days who like to throw around bold claims with limited proof and many of us here are skeptical.

It was just how you addressed it.. I totally agree that we need some more solid evidence as it is always preferable and good for all.

I did write this post at like 2:30 am! There is a good chance I jumped the gun on presenting this to you guys lol.

All I ever claimed is that this thing is getting way more air to the long tube intakes, and from what we have experienced in testing. More low-mid end torque.

Zoren 370 · 02-07-2018, 12:16 PM

Im not saying your product is farce too. But honestly people here have sold there Z and left this forum.

Too late in game? Maybe or maybe not.

I dont know how many people here are into numbers game. Or bragging rights.

I only have one Z for 6 years now and my other car is a C7 Z51. I agree with the principle as the C7 alone have lots if deflectors for increased air flow and cooling.

Will I buy one for my Z? Maybe yes and no.
For the last 2 weeks in the for sale thread at least 4 people selling the Gen 3 Stillen intakes and having hard time selling.

When 6 years ago they are selling like hot cakes even for a price of $500.
A 8 to 9 year old car? Do I need to brag about it every time I attend a cars and coffee in my area that I have this deflectors? Nobody would care as people are more interested on the new design Mustang, Corvette etc.

I welcome the innovation but timing is everything in the business world. Do you intend to sell to many people who DD the Z example people in California where the average speed is 5-6 miles On heavy traffic or your target market people who track there Z? I only know 5 or 6 in this forum now.

Its a free market I welcome and applaud the effort in making the Stillen work better. Maybe same reason why Stillen didnt bother to make one to sell because the market is small now.

Im speaking of the business side of things.

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I mean, this will absolutely do something to feed air to the filters. I'm just very skeptical on all of their wild-*** claims of power losses without it. Even on their website you can't find a link to any of their proof of any of their claims.

Also, aren't you blocking air flow to the radiator?

There is tons of room for airflow to the oil cooler and radiator. The angle of the picture is a bit deceiving. You'll have no issues with cooling with this product. I will get some better photos up tonight.

SS_Firehawk · 02-07-2018, 12:38 PM

The front of my car is like this right now. Just curious if it's beneficial without the oem crash bar since it's wide open now.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcOkkMJH...n-by=nerdeddie

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

The front of my car is like this right now. Just curious if it's beneficial without the oem crash bar since it's wide open now.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcOkkMJH...n-by=nerdeddie

It looks to me that you are getting plenty of air to those filters!

I wouldn't be concerned.

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-07-2018, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliriousClam

Yeah something doesn't seem right about this

Let's just sit back for those dyno results before we make extreme decisions. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything..

Asus_ · 02-07-2018, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe@DewlaDez

Not exactly the warm welcome I was hoping for from my Z community.

I'm sure they they didn't mean it directly to you personally just more so skeptical of the product itself

I myself would of liked to see some dyno numbers also. I'll be watching the thread tho thats for sure!

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-08-2018, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trips

Lets not go off the deep end here guys.

Give the vendor a chance

I personally like the idea now will it make a BIG difference probably not. imo

Installing an air deflector to divert air specifically to the intakes should be of some benefit as others have done this like BMW for instance.

Sooo lets not totally shoot the idea out of the water as not having any benefit.

Oh and Welcome Joe@DewlaDez

Thanks, TRIPS!!!

Loges · 02-08-2018, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trips

Lets not go off the deep end here guys.

Give the vendor a chance

I personally like the idea now will it make a BIG difference probably not. imo

Installing an air deflector to divert air specifically to the intakes should be of some benefit as others have done this like BMW for instance.

Sooo lets not totally shoot the idea out of the water as not having any benefit.

Oh and Welcome Joe@DewlaDez

I agree, let's give Joe a chance to get the independent dyno results from the shops he listed (Specialty Z, Z1 Motorsports, Concept Z Performance, Houston Z, and MotoIQ) before we jump to any conclusions. I also don't think he's trying to call out current CAI manufactures and their claimed numbers or anything like that. I think he's just trying to let everybody know what he's working on.

Innovation is always welcome in book, especially on the N/A side of things. Sub'd for future dyno results.

Joe@DewlaDez · 02-23-2018, 08:01 AM

First Dyno results are in as of 2/22/18.

The Dewla Dezign AIR-GUIDE made a surprising 7whp and 6ft-lb of torque

yesterday at Z1 MOTORSPORTS.

Same day A/B testing. We will know more details shortly.

In the meantime, someone owes me a 6 pack... ; )

02-07-2018, 11:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	So if the dyno showed a gain of 15 whp when the intake was originally installed with my front fascia on, based on the math it sounds like you claiming this product will provide an additional 14-22 whp. Is that the case? __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \| Last edited by JARblue; 02-07-2018 at 11:25 AM.

02-07-2018, 12:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
Zoren 370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL Posts: 11,018 Drives: 11 Nissan 370 M6 Rep Power: 1913653	Im not saying your product is farce too. But honestly people here have sold there Z and left this forum. Too late in game? Maybe or maybe not. I dont know how many people here are into numbers game. Or bragging rights. I only have one Z for 6 years now and my other car is a C7 Z51. I agree with the principle as the C7 alone have lots if deflectors for increased air flow and cooling. Will I buy one for my Z? Maybe yes and no. For the last 2 weeks in the for sale thread at least 4 people selling the Gen 3 Stillen intakes and having hard time selling. When 6 years ago they are selling like hot cakes even for a price of $500. A 8 to 9 year old car? Do I need to brag about it every time I attend a cars and coffee in my area that I have this deflectors? Nobody would care as people are more interested on the new design Mustang, Corvette etc. I welcome the innovation but timing is everything in the business world. Do you intend to sell to many people who DD the Z example people in California where the average speed is 5-6 miles On heavy traffic or your target market people who track there Z? I only know 5 or 6 in this forum now. Its a free market I welcome and applaud the effort in making the Stillen work better. Maybe same reason why Stillen didnt bother to make one to sell because the market is small now. Im speaking of the business side of things. Last edited by Zoren 370; 02-07-2018 at 12:27 PM.

02-07-2018, 12:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	The front of my car is like this right now. Just curious if it's beneficial without the oem crash bar since it's wide open now. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcOkkMJH...n-by=nerdeddie __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

02-23-2018, 08:01 AM	#30 (permalink)
Joe@DewlaDez Base Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Dayton Posts: 65 Drives: 90 300zx TT Rep Power: 8	First Dyno results are in as of 2/22/18. The Dewla Dezign AIR-GUIDE made a surprising 7whp and 6ft-lb of torque yesterday at Z1 MOTORSPORTS. Same day A/B testing. We will know more details shortly. In the meantime, someone owes me a 6 pack... ; ) danegrey, Stright_Drop, 2sl0w and 1 others like this. __________________ https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f...17800e~mv2.png www.dewladezign.com

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