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Wilson2608 12-24-2014 04:05 PM

So CR is really just the relation of the combustion chamber ( and its variables such as head gasket) to the displacement of a cylinder(0.617) the larger the combustion chamber the smaller the CR?


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phunk 12-24-2014 04:08 PM

Exactly, displacement is all happening within the bore and stroke of the pistons, and has nothing to do with anything else.

Combustion chamber size applied to that displacement is what determines the compression ratio. There are a number of ways to change that chamber size without effecting displacement. You can change the shape of the piston dome, you can change the shape of the cylinder head chamber, you can raise or lower the wrist pin, you can change the headgasket thickness, and you can change the valve head shape. You could even change connecting rod length. All of these will change the total displacement of the chamber, but not effect the displacement of the engine.

Wilson2608 12-24-2014 04:10 PM

I see! Okay I really appreciate all the fast and helpful answers. You've solved a age old question ( for me at least) hahah thanks guys!


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Jordo! 12-25-2014 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3064947)
To add .5mm thicker headgasket would be like 3-4cc extra chamber volume.

(616 + 65) / 65 = 10.47

So that is a pretty significant reduction in compression ratio.

Yep -- an old tuner "band aid" trick, but it doesn't work very well...

For one thing, you have the wrong head gasket, so that can lead to leaks. For another, reducing compression without changing the pistons doesn't give you stouter parts or even necessarily reduce the likelihood of detonation (i.e., propensity for hot spots along the piston crown remain unchanged).

DOOMMONKEY777 12-25-2014 06:02 PM

Use the Volume formula duhh,

V=[(π×d2)/4]×gasket

SouthArk370Z 12-25-2014 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 3065492)
Use the Volume formula duhh,
V=[(π×d2)/4]×gasket

CR = ( pi / 4 * bore^2 * stroke + combustion chamber volume + gasket ) / ( combustion chamber volume + gasket )
works as long as you have flat-top pistons and, at TDC, the top of the piston is flush with the top of the block.

Read T 12-29-2014 08:31 PM

If I ever want to lower compression can I just unscrew the spark plugs a little bit?

Wilson2608 12-29-2014 08:32 PM

I don't think that will work , those plugs need to be tight because the pressure in the cylinders will probably be to much for them to handle.


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Rusty 12-29-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Read T (Post 3068272)
If I ever want to lower compression can I just unscrew the spark plugs a little bit?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson2608 (Post 3068273)
I don't think that will work , those plugs need to be tight because the pressure in the cylinders will probably be to much for them to handle.


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Think you missed the sarcasm in his reply. LOL

On another note. I've seen a couple of valve jobs done that had a couple of valve seats cut too deep. :eek: So now the valves are deeper into the head, which lowers compression too.


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