A couple Odd things about my Clutch

Chuck33079 · 11-22-2014, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Minsu

Im just getting confused cause the symptoms of a failing CSC is soft clutch, dead clutch.
But for me, its been fine. Clutch Wise. The only thing thats weird is when i depress clutch to shift into second gear i get this vibration in my clutch pedal that i never felt before. I read through most of the csc failure sticky but found not one person who had this symptom before their csc or cmc went out. So im not sure what the exact problem might be or if itss even worth bringing into the dealership. I bought my car in delaware and im in NJ and its a 2013 so i still have warranty, but do i have to go all the way back to delaware where i bought the car to get it serviced? It wasnt a nissan dealership it was a private dealership. So Iono im just confused and getting worried.

If the car is under the manufacturer's warranty, then any Nissan dealership will service the car. It's worth asking locals which dealers around you are worth working with and which are to be avoided though.

Minsu · 11-22-2014, 08:44 PM

Yea im doing that as we speak as well as yelp and other business related sites where I can see reviews. I know this might be a dumb questions, I only assume that my car is under warranty, being a 2013. Is there somewhere I can check the warranty on my vehicle. It was a clean title and such.

Chuck33079 · 11-22-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Minsu

Yea im doing that as we speak as well as yelp and other business related sites where I can see reviews. I know this might be a dumb questions, I only assume that my car is under warranty, being a 2013. Is there somewhere I can check the warranty on my vehicle. It was a clean title and such.

The warranty has two restrictions- time and mileage. Look in the book that came with the car. If memory serves, the powertrain warranty is 5yr/60k. Bumper to bumper 3yr/36k. As long as you're under the time and mileage, you're good.

40 to 332 · 11-22-2014, 09:24 PM

Minsu, please let us know what the dealership discovers. Obviously, since I'm experiencing similar symptoms, I'd be interested in knowing the fix. I was thinking the vibrations might be trqced to the tyranny mount (???), especially since they become most apparent when upshifting at higher rpm when the engine and tranny are under load. Maybe in my case the tranny mount wasn't properly aligned when they reinstalled the tyranny. Anyway, let us know what you find out from the dealer.

MJB · 11-22-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 40 to 332

Minsu, please let us know what the dealership discovers. Obviously, since I'm experiencing similar symptoms, I'd be interested in knowing the fix. I was thinking the vibrations might be trqced to the tyranny mount (???), especially since they become most apparent when upshifting at higher rpm when the engine and tranny are under load. Maybe in my case the tranny mount wasn't properly aligned when they reinstalled the tyranny. Anyway, let us know what you find out from the dealer.

There is no way to probably align the tranny mount. Its attaches to the end of the transmission and a brace goes on top of it and bolts to actual mount and the frame. Its idiot proof as far as install goes, trust me. I've seen an oem mount go bad before. It was causing the symptoms you mentioned. The Z1 urethane mount solved the problem.

Spooler · 11-23-2014, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Notice how the clutch fluid looks darker than the brake fluid? That means the internals of the OEM CSC are starting to come apart. Right now you've got two options. One is to continue driving it until it fails, and then pray the dealer takes care of you on the warranty. The other is to buy the HD CSC now and put it on a shelf, so when it fails you can sweet talk the dealer into installing it instead of the OEM piece when the car shows up there on a flatbed.

Someone soon will chime in about the magical "GTR Fluid" that will cure all your woes. It's a band-aid. The problem is a failing part, and fluid will not save it. It will only prolong the time until the bearing fails.

I disagree. The clutch fluid needs to be changed. It is not real bad, but needs to be changed. It is normal for the clutch fluid to look crappier than the brake fluid. It needs changing more often. Been that way on every Z I have ever owned.

40 to 332 · 11-23-2014, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MJB

There is no way to probably align the tranny mount. Its attaches to the end of the transmission and a brace goes on top of it and bolts to actual mount and the frame. Its idiot proof as far as install goes, trust me. I've seen an oem mount go bad before. It was causing the symptoms you mentioned. The Z1 urethane mount solved the problem.

My mistake. I agree … the tyranny mount is a straight bolt-in as you point out. Could be that my mount has gone bad … or perhaps they didn't torque down the mount or bracket bolts enough. I also was thinking of installing an after-market mount … but have seen mixed reviews. Appears you're happy with the Z1 mount which is good to know.

Chuck33079 · 11-23-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I disagree. The clutch fluid needs to be changed. It is not real bad, but needs to be changed. It is normal for the clutch fluid to look crappier than the brake fluid. It needs changing more often. Been that way on every Z I have ever owned.

Show me one person who had a CSC problem solved by fluid. Solved, not put off a few thousand miles. I'll wait.

Minsu · 11-23-2014, 10:39 AM

So i just did research all throughout the day and night.
I checked other car forums as well as mechanic forums.
Apparently some other people with other cars have experienced the clutch vibrating issue and says it IS NOT a csc or cmc failure usually.

Some mentioned, throwout bearing wearing? no idea what that is.
Also bleeding the fluid. Or just something wrong with the clutch plate or pressure plate.
Im gonna give it another two days on the road to see what the problem is.

Yesterday the problem went away for about 10 minutes or so while i was driving.

So wierd .

Chuck33079 · 11-23-2014, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minsu

So i just did research all throughout the day and night.
I checked other car forums as well as mechanic forums.
Apparently some other people with other cars have experienced the clutch vibrating issue and says it IS NOT a csc or cmc failure usually.

Some mentioned, throwout bearing wearing? no idea what that is.
Also bleeding the fluid. Or just something wrong with the clutch plate or pressure plate.
Im gonna give it another two days on the road to see what the problem is.

Yesterday the problem went away for about 10 minutes or so while i was driving.

So wierd .

Other cars do not experience csc failure at the very high rate of Zs, so take that with a grain of salt. You've got a warranty, use it. Go in and just tell them it doesn't feel right. Anything wrong is going to be a warranty issue anyway, so might as well at least have one complaint on the books.

Minsu · 11-23-2014, 10:48 AM

Your right, I will also be taking it to the dealer, what are some prevention methods so that the dealer don't take the car for a joy ride. So many storys on our forum alone of the dealer fkin the car up cause of joy rides and other stupid shindigs

Chuck33079 · 11-23-2014, 10:51 AM

Note your mileage before and after. They're going to have to drive it to diagnose, and if you tell them it's a high rpm problem they have to wind it out to see what you're talking about. But if you come back and it's got 50 miles more on it, there might be an issue. If you go to a reputable dealer, you should be ok. Keep in mind most people don't go on the internet when things go well, so the ratio of horror stories to success stories is wildly inaccurate.

Smashley · 11-23-2014, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minsu

So i just did research all throughout the day and night.
I checked other car forums as well as mechanic forums.
Apparently some other people with other cars have experienced the clutch vibrating issue and says it IS NOT a csc or cmc failure usually.

Some mentioned, throwout bearing wearing? no idea what that is.
Also bleeding the fluid. Or just something wrong with the clutch plate or pressure plate.
Im gonna give it another two days on the road to see what the problem is.

Yesterday the problem went away for about 10 minutes or so while i was driving.

So wierd .

I had a very similar problem with my maxima and when the trans was opened up one of the springs on the clutch disc/plate was sideways.

Minsu · 11-23-2014, 01:15 PM

Thanks for the input smashley. Its something I can mention.to the techs when I get there

3.7 ZPA · 11-23-2014, 04:06 PM

I just said "shwink, shwink" out loud, and my cranky girlfriend gave me the stink eye. I would definitely take it to the dealership to have diagnosed. I haven't experienced CSC failure yet, but from what i've read, there is no warning. Then again, dealerships have been known to get it wrong, too.

11-22-2014, 08:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
Minsu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,401 Drives: 2013 MidBlue 370Z 6M Rep Power: 24	Yea im doing that as we speak as well as yelp and other business related sites where I can see reviews. I know this might be a dumb questions, I only assume that my car is under warranty, being a 2013. Is there somewhere I can check the warranty on my vehicle. It was a clean title and such. __________________ I figured, Get High, Take the Test High, Get HIGH Scoes

11-23-2014, 10:39 AM	#24 (permalink)
Minsu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,401 Drives: 2013 MidBlue 370Z 6M Rep Power: 24	So i just did research all throughout the day and night. I checked other car forums as well as mechanic forums. Apparently some other people with other cars have experienced the clutch vibrating issue and says it IS NOT a csc or cmc failure usually. Some mentioned, throwout bearing wearing? no idea what that is. Also bleeding the fluid. Or just something wrong with the clutch plate or pressure plate. Im gonna give it another two days on the road to see what the problem is. Yesterday the problem went away for about 10 minutes or so while i was driving. So wierd . __________________ I figured, Get High, Take the Test High, Get HIGH Scoes

11-23-2014, 10:48 AM	#26 (permalink)
Minsu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,401 Drives: 2013 MidBlue 370Z 6M Rep Power: 24	Your right, I will also be taking it to the dealer, what are some prevention methods so that the dealer don't take the car for a joy ride. So many storys on our forum alone of the dealer fkin the car up cause of joy rides and other stupid shindigs __________________ I figured, Get High, Take the Test High, Get HIGH Scoes

11-23-2014, 10:51 AM	#27 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Note your mileage before and after. They're going to have to drive it to diagnose, and if you tell them it's a high rpm problem they have to wind it out to see what you're talking about. But if you come back and it's got 50 miles more on it, there might be an issue. If you go to a reputable dealer, you should be ok. Keep in mind most people don't go on the internet when things go well, so the ratio of horror stories to success stories is wildly inaccurate. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-23-2014, 01:15 PM	#29 (permalink)
Minsu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,401 Drives: 2013 MidBlue 370Z 6M Rep Power: 24	Thanks for the input smashley. Its something I can mention.to the techs when I get there __________________ I figured, Get High, Take the Test High, Get HIGH Scoes

11-22-2014, 09:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
40 to 332 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kimberley, BC, CANADA Posts: 452 Drives: 13 370Z BS M6 Sport Rep Power: 439	Minsu, please let us know what the dealership discovers. Obviously, since I'm experiencing similar symptoms, I'd be interested in knowing the fix. I was thinking the vibrations might be trqced to the tyranny mount (???), especially since they become most apparent when upshifting at higher rpm when the engine and tranny are under load. Maybe in my case the tranny mount wasn't properly aligned when they reinstalled the tyranny. Anyway, let us know what you find out from the dealer.

11-23-2014, 04:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
3.7 ZPA Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 352 Drives: '09 370Z 6MT Rep Power: 13	I just said "shwink, shwink" out loud, and my cranky girlfriend gave me the stink eye. I would definitely take it to the dealership to have diagnosed. I haven't experienced CSC failure yet, but from what i've read, there is no warning. Then again, dealerships have been known to get it wrong, too.

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