World Record NA VHR Build

Z eliminator · 10-29-2014, 08:21 AM

It was the oil pump that damaged my moter.
I was turning 8100 when the oil can light came on my dash board>

Z

1slow370 · 10-29-2014, 01:35 PM

Yeah for someone like Z eliminator the external pump would be great. They already have your motor and I know they have the A/c delete done it would probably just be a different bracket to mount up an external pump, then you would just need the remote oil pieces from a supercharger kit and have a new pickup welded into the pan and you too could join the high rev club. you already would have aftermarket rods and valves springs too right? so you could probably rev even harder than me.

indyn · 10-30-2014, 11:17 AM

1slow370, was it the cams or the custom IM that caused the major gains?

TerribleONE · 10-30-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by indyn

1slow370, was it the cams or the custom IM that caused the major gains?

Im sure its a combination of both, and as he continues to rev it higher that manifold is going to become more and more critical.

1slow370 · 10-30-2014, 01:16 PM

also I doubled checked and to install a dry sump or external pump it is necessary to remove the internal pump which requires the removal of the timing chains and covers.

Elmo370z · 10-30-2014, 05:08 PM

Were you running a stock oil pump when your motor let out?

RonRizz · 10-30-2014, 06:04 PM

Forgive me for asking, I'm not up on building engines, and all that, I really know nothing about it... But I was curious about the world record part..... What is it?
My next question is this... If the near 100 hp gain is the record, wouldn't it have been 10x cheaper to just use NO2 to get those gains, and still be NA?
Don't flame me, I really don't know these things.

megalapagas · 10-30-2014, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonRizz

Forgive me for asking, I'm not up on building engines, and all that, I really know nothing about it... But I was curious about the world record part..... What is it?
My next question is this... If the near 100 hp gain is the record, wouldn't it have been 10x cheaper to just use NO2 to get those gains, and still be NA?
Don't flame me, I really don't know these things.

Touché....you bring up a valid point 100whp Shot & Tune perhaps?

1slow370 · 10-30-2014, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonRizz

Forgive me for asking, I'm not up on building engines, and all that, I really know nothing about it... But I was curious about the world record part..... What is it?
My next question is this... If the near 100 hp gain is the record, wouldn't it have been 10x cheaper to just use NO2 to get those gains, and still be NA?
Don't flame me, I really don't know these things.

NO2 is not Natural Aspiration, it is form of forced induction AKA shoving more air into the motor than it otherwise normally can. The world record is that I am making at least 20 more whp than anyone else with a vhr that isn't using FI. I have 100 more hp with the added stress of boost or nitrous. Deal.

RonRizz · 10-30-2014, 08:47 PM

Oh, OK.... I didn't realize that NO2 was considered to be forced induction. Thanks for clarifying.

1slow370 · 10-30-2014, 08:52 PM

If it was considered NA then I have seen a NA 1200hp 67 bel air that ran ran 7's. If you could use the term all motor interchangeably then it is NA

Edit/elaboration: yeah 800 shot on a BBC with a hollinger toilet bowl on a built motor and he only went through two sets of copper headgaskets a year

Mitco39 · 10-30-2014, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

NO2 is not Natural Aspiration, it is form of forced induction AKA shoving more air into the motor than it otherwise normally can. The world record is that I am making at least 20 more whp than anyone else with a vhr that isn't using FI. I have 100 more hp with the added stress of boost or nitrous. Deal.

But can you imagine if you decided to add turbos at this point?

SS_Firehawk · 10-30-2014, 10:49 PM

ThaThat would require an entirely different process to build the motor. The high lift cams would drop boost pressure and that expensive manifold wouldn't be worth the benefit. NA results, this is impressive. A compression boost would make this NA motor nasty

Eclipz · 10-30-2014, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitco39

But can you imagine if you decided to add turbos at this point?

Do it, do it NOW!

1slow370 · 10-30-2014, 11:25 PM

Nah if i turbo it would only be to 450whp, and since 400whp seems achievable at my next rebuild so meh

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10-29-2014, 08:21 AM	#61 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	It was the oil pump that damaged my moter. I was turning 8100 when the oil can light came on my dash board> Z __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015.

10-29-2014, 01:35 PM	#62 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Yeah for someone like Z eliminator the external pump would be great. They already have your motor and I know they have the A/c delete done it would probably just be a different bracket to mount up an external pump, then you would just need the remote oil pieces from a supercharger kit and have a new pickup welded into the pan and you too could join the high rev club. you already would have aftermarket rods and valves springs too right? so you could probably rev even harder than me. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	also I doubled checked and to install a dry sump or external pump it is necessary to remove the internal pump which requires the removal of the timing chains and covers. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

10-30-2014, 06:04 PM	#67 (permalink)
RonRizz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pine grove, Pa Posts: 2,136 Drives: 2 feet, 3 pedals Rep Power: 6775	Forgive me for asking, I'm not up on building engines, and all that, I really know nothing about it... But I was curious about the world record part..... What is it? My next question is this... If the near 100 hp gain is the record, wouldn't it have been 10x cheaper to just use NO2 to get those gains, and still be NA? Don't flame me, I really don't know these things. megalapagas likes this. __________________ P99rs Head Unit--- Amps- 2 Pioneer Prs800d --- Zapco ST1000MX---Zapco ST-4XSQ---- SI BM mk5 Subs---SI TM65v2 Midbass--- SI M3 mids--- SI M25 xbl2 tweeters ----- 2016 MECA street class 3rd place at world finals

10-30-2014, 08:47 PM	#70 (permalink)
RonRizz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Pine grove, Pa Posts: 2,136 Drives: 2 feet, 3 pedals Rep Power: 6775	Oh, OK.... I didn't realize that NO2 was considered to be forced induction. Thanks for clarifying. __________________ P99rs Head Unit--- Amps- 2 Pioneer Prs800d --- Zapco ST1000MX---Zapco ST-4XSQ---- SI BM mk5 Subs---SI TM65v2 Midbass--- SI M3 mids--- SI M25 xbl2 tweeters ----- 2016 MECA street class 3rd place at world finals

10-30-2014, 11:17 AM	#63 (permalink)
indyn Base Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: farr north Posts: 241 Drives: 11 BMW 335i 6AT Rep Power: 14	1slow370, was it the cams or the custom IM that caused the major gains?

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,709 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295378	Were you running a stock oil pump when your motor let out?

10-30-2014, 08:52 PM	#71 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	If it was considered NA then I have seen a NA 1200hp 67 bel air that ran ran 7's. If you could use the term all motor interchangeably then it is NA Edit/elaboration: yeah 800 shot on a BBC with a hollinger toilet bowl on a built motor and he only went through two sets of copper headgaskets a year __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 10-30-2014 at 08:54 PM.

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SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	ThaThat would require an entirely different process to build the motor. The high lift cams would drop boost pressure and that expensive manifold wouldn't be worth the benefit. NA results, this is impressive. A compression boost would make this NA motor nasty __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

10-30-2014, 11:25 PM	#75 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Nah if i turbo it would only be to 450whp, and since 400whp seems achievable at my next rebuild so meh Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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