New parts coming??

kannibul · 09-18-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Z1Performance

The justification to spend the time (and money) in R&D is just not there. Nowadays, this industry as a whole is slow. Couple that to a car that is still new to market, and does not have tons of units sold yet (especialyl relative to the previous model) and it becomes pretty clear that things will be this way for quite some time.

I don't think you will ever see cams sold for the car at all - simply far too costly to develop. Nissan has so far 0 competition plans with the new car, which means blanks will not be offered for those who have the means to grind their own cam. Forging your own blanks is simply far too cost prohibitive, as there is a miniscule market for those who would buy them.

Throttle body spacers are certainly easy to do, but utterly useless (zero performance gain, their only advantage would be for forced induction guys looking for a nice and easy way to install a boost gauge). Intake manifold development is extremely time consuming and costly, and given the lack of fully programmable ecu's for the car, would not offer any real gain for any developer.

The previous Z's never needed a torque dampener, neither do the new ones. Civic Si, different story - the factory mounts are very soft on that car (we have one, so I know that car pretty well too

On the cam's issue - I saw a video recently where the VVEL can be adjusted outside of some spec's by adjusting each valve. There's an adjustment screw that changes the max lift or something along those lines.

Skip to 1:35 of this video:

The whole thing is interesting, but, 1:35 talks about the adjustment I mentioned. Perhaps in the future there might be something there, but, I for one, will not be touching that!

bucketman · 09-18-2009, 05:51 PM

Thanks for this post. I have always been curious as to how the vvel actually works the changing lift, I mean in theory i understood but actually seeing it makes it clear. Thanks again and have a free rep point.

JoeD · 09-18-2009, 05:57 PM

Kinetix is vapourware. Their reputation is nothing short of horrible and their products lost power on 350Zs more often than not.

Many are anxious to see further development of long-tube headers, that is if anything is ever materialized. Power-gains should be impressive, not to mention the difference in sound.

NewYorkJon34 · 09-18-2009, 07:29 PM

Thanks guys, that clears things up alot. It seems to me that there will not be a whole lot of parts released for the 370, but the parts that do get released will be of high "Quality" such as the stillen G3 intakes (15-20rwhp) & F.I. Exhaust (15-20rwhp) etc...

Z1Performance · 09-19-2009, 02:39 PM

No intake on the planet is going to legitimately net you 15-20 whp while keeping fuel trims happy (no need to post the link, I've read about the stillen one (we're a dealer of theirs as well

) Yes, you may see a peak gain of that much power at some point in the rpm range, but it will be at the expense of fuel trims. In the short term it means the car will see some nice gains. However as its driven and the ecu dials things back, those gains will diminish. Ultimately some form of ecu work will be needed to keep the ecu happy and the gains more consistant. Certainly a nicely made intake that will compliment other basic bolt on mods

NewYorkJon34 · 09-19-2009, 02:51 PM

^I went from

to

after reading that

Z1Performance · 09-20-2009, 12:32 PM

Modding a modern car is not about adding 1 singular part. If that's your goal, or expectations, then an older car is your best bet. Modern cars have highly adaptive ecu's that operate within very narrow parameters. Keeping the ecu happy is the key towards sustainable, consistant performance.

NewYorkJon34 · 09-20-2009, 12:39 PM

I'm sure by SEMA (November) there should be some more stuff out on the market. My goals are either 350whp with bolt-ons/"real" tune or 450whp with stillen supercharger, not sure yet tho

Z1Performance · 09-20-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NewYorkJon34

I'm sure by SEMA (November) there should be some more stuff out on the market. My goals are either 350whp with bolt-ons/"real" tune or 450whp with stillen supercharger, not sure yet tho

at the risk of being branded a pessimist, I wouldn't hold your breath. Most of the big players in the marketplace aren't even showing at SEMA this year

NewYorkJon34 · 09-20-2009, 01:20 PM

Dang, your pretty negative about the 370Z, makes me almost think I should have waited for the Camaro

Z1Performance · 09-20-2009, 03:54 PM

I'm realistic, not negative

JoeD · 09-20-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Z1Performance

I'm realistic, not negative

I've noticed that anyone here who is a realist and doesn't have their head in the clouds gets labeled as negative, or better yet...a hater! LOL.

1slow370 · 09-21-2009, 12:31 AM

It'll come out eventually but as a negative pessimist i can say that stuff for our car will cost more, take longer to get to market, net less power per dollar, and if your looking for a hopped up super fast balls out power platform yes you should have gotten a camaro. BUT when our cars are done right with good mods making decent horsepower they are far better than a camaro done up because they are more exclusive, that much harder to make that nice so in the end we'll be near exotic and a camaro owner will have a muscle car. The Z is the poor man's Porsche and the camaro is a bad @$$ cavalier take your pick.

Denny McLain · 09-21-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

It'll come out eventually but as a negative pessimist i can say that stuff for our car will cost more, take longer to get to market, net less power per dollar, and if your looking for a hopped up super fast balls out power platform yes you should have gotten a camaro. BUT when our cars are done right with good mods making decent horsepower they are far better than a camaro done up because they are more exclusive, that much harder to make that nice so in the end we'll be near exotic and a camaro owner will have a muscle car. The Z is the poor man's Porsche and the camaro is a bad @$$ cavalier take your pick.

Basically agree and purchased the Z for exactly as you say. Passed on the Camaro because it's kinda butt ugly, way too heavy and GM cars don't seem to be very well built when it's all said n done. Decent muscle car with a lot of straight line potential, but handles poorly.

Between a rock and a hard spot.

Frankly at this time not exactly jumping for joy on the 370Z gains and how buggy the mods have been. Still getting some strange noises underneath the car from the Stillen exhaust which ending up being cut in half and then rewelded it so it wouldn't bang. Guess it needs another look after two trips to an exhaust shop. The AccesPort tuning only works on fuel/air and on its own is pulling out midrange timing. Got exactly zero gains from dyno tuning at Cobb loosing midrange power in the process. Hell of a deal.

The cars for me anyway are difficult to see out of and mine gets horrible gas mileage in the city.

Expected a few bugs, but not Godzilla big enough to eat Tokyo. Holding off on going to the track as I refuse to run a car unless it's 100% to its potential.

Giving the car a chance but if things don't turn around; a new Grand Sport LS3 Corvette with headers, tune and a cam is looking real good to me. Something that is easy to mod, gets huge gains and say what you want.... fun to drive and pretty bad *** cars. People are making over 500 at the wheel just with those mods. No kidding. Still cheaply built though.

RCZ · 09-21-2009, 11:04 AM

I wouldn't get a Vette and frankly I can't think of anything I would rather have within this price range. Vettes are fast, but I can't get over how disconnected and cheap they feel. Maybe in a year or so I could look at a used 09 Cayman, but I'd be in the same situation as the Z with much more expensive parts to buy.

I think its the best car under 50k and its not exactly "bad" so I'm keeping mine. Also I think the tuning aspect will change once we crack the system. There's always FI too. A little more power, some nice wheels, a carbon nismo kit and I'll be a happy camper.

09-19-2009, 02:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
Z1Performance Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: St. James, NY Posts: 237 Drives: 350Z Rep Power: 16	No intake on the planet is going to legitimately net you 15-20 whp while keeping fuel trims happy (no need to post the link, I've read about the stillen one (we're a dealer of theirs as well ) Yes, you may see a peak gain of that much power at some point in the rpm range, but it will be at the expense of fuel trims. In the short term it means the car will see some nice gains. However as its driven and the ecu dials things back, those gains will diminish. Ultimately some form of ecu work will be needed to keep the ecu happy and the gains more consistant. Certainly a nicely made intake that will compliment other basic bolt on mods Last edited by Z1Performance; 09-19-2009 at 02:44 PM.

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09-18-2009, 05:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
bucketman Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Prairieville,LA Posts: 306 Drives: 09 Nismo 370Z MB Rep Power: 16	Thanks for this post. I have always been curious as to how the vvel actually works the changing lift, I mean in theory i understood but actually seeing it makes it clear. Thanks again and have a free rep point.

09-18-2009, 05:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
JoeD Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA Posts: 495 Drives: Z Rep Power: 0	Kinetix is vapourware. Their reputation is nothing short of horrible and their products lost power on 350Zs more often than not. Many are anxious to see further development of long-tube headers, that is if anything is ever materialized. Power-gains should be impressive, not to mention the difference in sound.

09-18-2009, 07:29 PM	#19 (permalink)
NewYorkJon34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 3,041 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z Rep Power: 1065	Thanks guys, that clears things up alot. It seems to me that there will not be a whole lot of parts released for the 370, but the parts that do get released will be of high "Quality" such as the stillen G3 intakes (15-20rwhp) & F.I. Exhaust (15-20rwhp) etc...

09-19-2009, 02:51 PM	#21 (permalink)
NewYorkJon34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 3,041 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z Rep Power: 1065	^I went from to after reading that

09-20-2009, 12:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
Z1Performance Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: St. James, NY Posts: 237 Drives: 350Z Rep Power: 16	Modding a modern car is not about adding 1 singular part. If that's your goal, or expectations, then an older car is your best bet. Modern cars have highly adaptive ecu's that operate within very narrow parameters. Keeping the ecu happy is the key towards sustainable, consistant performance.

09-20-2009, 12:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
NewYorkJon34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 3,041 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z Rep Power: 1065	I'm sure by SEMA (November) there should be some more stuff out on the market. My goals are either 350whp with bolt-ons/"real" tune or 450whp with stillen supercharger, not sure yet tho

09-20-2009, 01:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
NewYorkJon34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 3,041 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z Rep Power: 1065	Dang, your pretty negative about the 370Z, makes me almost think I should have waited for the Camaro

09-20-2009, 03:54 PM	#26 (permalink)
Z1Performance Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: St. James, NY Posts: 237 Drives: 350Z Rep Power: 16	I'm realistic, not negative

09-21-2009, 12:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	It'll come out eventually but as a negative pessimist i can say that stuff for our car will cost more, take longer to get to market, net less power per dollar, and if your looking for a hopped up super fast balls out power platform yes you should have gotten a camaro. BUT when our cars are done right with good mods making decent horsepower they are far better than a camaro done up because they are more exclusive, that much harder to make that nice so in the end we'll be near exotic and a camaro owner will have a muscle car. The Z is the poor man's Porsche and the camaro is a bad @$$ cavalier take your pick.

09-21-2009, 11:04 AM	#30 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	I wouldn't get a Vette and frankly I can't think of anything I would rather have within this price range. Vettes are fast, but I can't get over how disconnected and cheap they feel. Maybe in a year or so I could look at a used 09 Cayman, but I'd be in the same situation as the Z with much more expensive parts to buy. I think its the best car under 50k and its not exactly "bad" so I'm keeping mine. Also I think the tuning aspect will change once we crack the system. There's always FI too. A little more power, some nice wheels, a carbon nismo kit and I'll be a happy camper.

*New* parts coming??

New parts coming??