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kingcobra 05-20-2014 04:11 PM

2010 Z won't start even after steering column recall
 
What could it be now?!?! :mad::mad::mad:

http://youtu.be/ZPhkJLz1XyY?list=UUO...UiTcveMeyVqVQA

kenchan 05-20-2014 04:12 PM

check clutch switch.

kenchan 05-20-2014 04:13 PM

or brake switch if yours is a AT.

you can thank wheeee!

kingcobra 05-20-2014 04:16 PM

Yes it is AT, thanks I hadn't read about that being a possible issue....

Any other parts that may be causing this? I want to let the dealer exactly what to check since this never happens when its at the dealer and its practically impossible to reproduce on the fly

kenchan 05-20-2014 04:18 PM

if your ipdm is shot that could have a similar symptom as the steering lock failure, but ive not read too many of those (maybe one or 2 cases) over 5yrs. and those *may* have been an improperly diagnosted steering lock failure case too... so.

kingcobra 05-20-2014 04:36 PM

Thanks, so those are the 2 most likely scenarios?

kenchan 05-20-2014 04:38 PM

unless a mouse ate your harness or something... :ugh2:

Zteve 05-20-2014 04:48 PM

[slingblade] ain't got no gas[/slingblade]

kingcobra 05-20-2014 06:05 PM

how much is that ipdm to replace? is it supposed to be covered under the 100k warranty?

kingcobra 05-22-2014 04:31 PM

Any other ideas anyone?

kingcobra 05-22-2014 04:31 PM

Could it be fuel injectors/battery/fuel pump?

kenchan 05-22-2014 04:37 PM

someone stuck potatoes in your exhaust? .. :ugh:



wat did your dealer say? have it towed, get it fixed.

JARblue 05-22-2014 05:06 PM

Are we sure it's not the steering lock? I know the Rev D (used for the recall) has been known to fail.

Pintsize725 05-22-2014 10:10 PM

Did it start the second time? The video was too low for my laptop speakers to pick anything up. If so, this is kind of the problem I've been having but I have yet to figure out what it is. The only thing I've done is have JARblue pull my steering lock fuse and that was at least a year ago.

SouthArk370Z 05-22-2014 10:28 PM

I don't think this is an ESCL problem. IIRC, the ECM only checks the ESCL at the beginning of the start cycle and doesn't care if it disappears. But I'm not 100% sure.

I don't think it's the brake switch or you would get a message on the multi-display. The brake message you are getting looks like the parking brake warning to me.

If you don't want to take it to a dealer, then I suggest you get an OBD scanner and see if you can spot any bad sensors that may be causing the shutdowns. The FSM will be a big help. I'd also check for any loose connectors under the hood.

Good luck and keep us posted.

kingcobra 05-23-2014 06:13 PM

I already did take it to the dealer and they did the steering column recall and this happened again...

I took it to a second dealer and it wasn't happening when they had it and they couldn't reproduce...they used their scanners and couldn't find any issues or codes...

kingcobra 05-23-2014 06:14 PM

P.S. The recall was performed not even 2 weeks ago by the first dealer and the issue started happening again...

kenchan 05-23-2014 06:19 PM

if it's the same issue as your first diagnosis, you probably got another faulty lock, or your dealer never changed it out. it can be an intermittent problem on some locks.

you'll need to do the brown wire cut or fuse pull when you get a new working lock. check the diy section.

note: RevD is wat they use on the recall. this revision does not really guarantee that the problem is fixed. it's basically the same damn lock with a minor wtf they did. there are already a few RevD reported failures. it's a german designed american made part, it's hit or miss. :ugh:

kingcobra 06-03-2014 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2831548)
if it's the same issue as your first diagnosis, you probably got another faulty lock, or your dealer never changed it out. it can be an intermittent problem on some locks.

you'll need to do the brown wire cut or fuse pull when you get a new working lock. check the diy section.

note: RevD is wat they use on the recall. this revision does not really guarantee that the problem is fixed. it's basically the same damn lock with a minor wtf they did. there are already a few RevD reported failures. it's a german designed american made part, it's hit or miss. :ugh:

Isn't the steering column issue the fact that the car won't start/crank at all?

Because in my case, the car does try to start but just doesn't turn over.

I filed a complaint with BBB, this is beyond frustrating:mad::mad::mad:

kingcobra 06-03-2014 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pintsize725 (Post 2830316)
Did it start the second time? The video was too low for my laptop speakers to pick anything up. If so, this is kind of the problem I've been having but I have yet to figure out what it is. The only thing I've done is have JARblue pull my steering lock fuse and that was at least a year ago.

How did that work out? Did it solve the problem? Or are you still having the same problem as in the video?

It did start the second time, and I can also give it gas if I feel like it will stall and it will start up

SouthArk370Z 06-03-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingcobra (Post 2845024)
Isn't the steering column issue the fact that the car won't start/crank at all?

Because in my case, the car does try to start but just doesn't turn over.

I filed a complaint with BBB, this is beyond frustrating:mad::mad::mad:

You are correct, sir. If the ESCL (SLU) is not working then the car will not try to start.

kingcobra 06-03-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2845030)
You are correct, sir. If the ESCL (SLU) is not working then the car will not try to start.

Then what could be my issue, both dealers and Nissan corp keep repeating the same damn freaking script "If we cant duplicate it then we cant fix anything" even though I showed them the freaking video

SouthArk370Z 06-03-2014 04:57 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not the brake switch. That's not going to affect the ignition at idle after starting.
Take the FSM and a VOM and start tracing signals/power to the ignition/coils and fuel pump. Or get an OBD scanner and see if the car will tell you what's going on.

kingcobra 06-03-2014 05:35 PM

The dealers scanned for codes multiple times and nothing...

I wonder if its just cleaning the TB or filters that would fix this

SouthArk370Z 06-03-2014 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingcobra (Post 2845103)
The dealers scanned for codes multiple times and nothing...

I wonder if its just cleaning the TB or filters that would fix this

With a good scanner, you can look at more than DTCs. You may be able to see some parameter go out of bounds before the car dies.

Both jobs are very easy and cheap. Worth a try.

You could have an intermittent sensor connection somewhere.

kingcobra 06-10-2014 06:10 PM

Could it be the camshaft sensor? I'm taking it to a 3rd dealer tomorrow...

kingcobra 06-21-2014 08:26 PM

The 3rd dealer said the idle was a bit low so they reset the idle to original? Around 700-800rpm...still having the same damn problem...

Any ideas anyone?

Might just get rid of it and get a beemer, I've been to the dealers 8 different times in 3 months wtf!!

kingcobra 07-31-2014 02:55 PM

Anyone have updates on this?

maizenblue 07-31-2014 05:53 PM

Isnt there a lemon law where if the problem cant be fixed after 3 attempts or something like that the car is deemed a lemon and the dealer buys it back?

kingcobra 11-12-2014 03:11 PM

Update: Got sick of dealing with dealers, 3 different dealers couldn't find the problem and Nissan corp didn't want to help either

Got me a 2014 335i, the stress level is at an all time low now haha :)

kenchan 11-12-2014 03:25 PM

haha, fast forward a few months.. faak!! electronic issues bmw cant fix :mad:

SouthArk370Z 11-12-2014 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingcobra (Post 3029567)
Update: Got sick of dealing with dealers, 3 different dealers couldn't find the problem and Nissan corp didn't want to help either

Got me a 2014 335i, the stress level is at an all time low now haha :)

I know what you mean. The Nissan dealers in my area couldn't seem to handle putting the right amount of air in the tires, replacing cabin air filters, checking battery, &c, so I'm driving a Dodge now. The 370Z is a lot of fun but I don't want a car that I can't get worked on.

kingcobra 11-12-2014 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3029583)
haha, fast forward a few months.. faak!! electronic issues bmw cant fix :mad:

Too bad my beemer is brand new and has bumper to bumper warranty :p:icon23:

kingcobra 06-11-2015 03:51 PM

Wish my 370z didn't have this problem, it was a fun car :(


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