Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3236976)

You're not the weird one. It's absolutely ***-backwards. I'm guessing the OP has never had a turbo car, and he's also never driven something like he's thinking of building. This smells like one of those projects that either
A. Never get completed
B. Get completed and never come close to making the planned power
C. Get completed at a far greater cost than the next best option, and is so peaky, unreliable, can't run on pump gas and doesn't perform at the level the builder would want, so the car gets sold.

A 400whp TT setup on the stock block will be a far more reliable vehicle than a 400whp NA car. That 400whp NA car is going to have very little area under the curve and you'll have to wring it out to get anywhere. At the same time that 400whp turbo car has a lot more headroom for growth.

OP, good luck but the deck is absolutely stacked against you. You're going to be out there on a limb so far that very few people will be able to offer insight, all the parts you need will be one-offs and priced accordingly, and it seems like some of the questions you're asking show a lack of experience that will be an absolute stumbling block in a project like this.

For example, thinking a NA motor revved way above the stock redline is somehow more reliable than a boosted setup. Sure, One guy somewhere did it and it lived long enough for him to sell the car a few weeks later. That's what you're using as your test case. RPM will kill a motor a hell of a lot faster than boost.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3237127)

It's not negativity, it's reality. What you're trying to do has not been done by anyone here. The closest person to doing it was still 25whp away from your goal and punted. That doesn't mean it cannot be done, it just means that it is either not worth the tradeoffs to the few people who would otherwise do it, or the cost/hp curve is so out of whack they go to other plans. The people you need to be asking questions of are the people who build race motors, not the peanut gallery on a forum. Someone here posted the contact details of someone who can build you what you want. Why not go and ask them how feasible the project is? The last thing you want is to be past the point of no return and find out what you're trying to do is not possible without a lot more cash.

It's completely ok to do something just because no one else has. Just don't con yourself into thinking it will be more reliable, cheaper, easier or faster than the equivalent FI setup. You're just doing it because no one else has.

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3237139)

I've had a boosted car.in looking for wet sump solutions to rev to 8k-8200 cjm had billet oul pump gears and steel backing plate up for group buy, but only 2 other people including myself were interested. Cjm is also building a manifold that I'm still waiting on. Chuck don't make assumptions, makes you look bad. I'm just here to find helpful information, not 2000 reasons to go TT.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3237150)

Dude, how about this. I'll put my money where my mouth is. I will buy you a case of beer if/when you show up with a Dynojet dyno sheet for a 400whp NA Z. Your call on brand. Not domestic piss light beer, either. Quality beer.

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3237158)

Now we are talking. I'll hold you to that i never forget,. I'll hold you to the same bet if i ever back out.

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 2818498)

I'm wondering if anyone out there can tune the VQ motor on pump gas, and without the use of crazy expensive ITB's or swapping out crankshafts to make 400 whp on the NA motor? Or is the vvel that complicated that no tuners can come close to making the power without the use of DE heads, crazy engine rebuild, or forced induction. Maybe with EcuTek and their claim to be superior to Uprev, still waiting to see that. I just want some educated guesses on what they think is possible, I know tuning the VQ motor is still very brand new and tuners have come along way.

Thank you everyone for your time.