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FPenvy 05-07-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2809583)
The Z1 Dyno is not generous. Ive seen too many stock 370 put down 372ish and nismos around 385-390. Ive seen cars that should make power, make it and cars that have some issues not.

Its a dynojet. Same as TopSpeed's. Really no way to play with numbers unless they can control the environment. I think the issue most people have is that GA isn't exactly high altitude. So if anything, other dyno's read lower, but these 2 should be accurate.

There was a dyno day this past saturday. With alot of Z's dynoing. I missed the first 4 hours so im not sure what happened, but the numbers I saw looked consistant with the dyno's and mods.

372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol

Chuck33079 05-07-2014 10:50 AM

One run down the strip puts all this to bed.

daisuke149 05-07-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809590)
372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol

yeah 2 lolol. 3 woulda been something.

Not backing them due to friends, backing them because i see all the dyno's constantly posted by people all over the country. Because my own car has hit multiple dyno's in the GA area also as have alot of the cars in this area.

and yes a run down the strip could prove something. But then again, a run on the strip at GA with 90degrees and 70% humidity will yield diff results than the same car same strip at 67 degrees and 10% humidity (and the way GA weather is, this could be the same day!)

Chuck33079 05-07-2014 10:57 AM

GA doesn't have the market cornered on heat and humidity. Trap speed would tell a lot more than one overcorrected dyno plot with a baseline from another car no matter what outside temps are.

FPenvy 05-07-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2809596)
yeah 2 lolol. 3 woulda been something.

Not backing them due to friends, backing them because i see all the dyno's constantly posted by people all over the country. Because my own car has hit multiple dyno's in the GA area also as have alot of the cars in this area.

and yes a run down the strip could prove something. But then again, a run on the strip at GA with 90degrees and 70% humidity will yield diff results than the same car same strip at 67 degrees and 10% humidity (and the way GA weather is, this could be the same day!)

most people here will understand the ET/trap difference based on weather conditions if they list them. most strips post the current conditions on the time slip. not all but most do that i've been to or seen.

FPenvy 05-07-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2809601)
GA doesn't have the market cornered on heat and humidity. Trap speed would tell a lot more than one overcorrected dyno plot with a baseline from another car no matter what outside temps are.

yea come to PA lol worlds most diverse climate. this winter we had a month where we didnt break 0 and in summer it'll be 90's and 100% humidity :shakes head: FML just thinking about it lol thank you 34 row oil cooler.

Megan370z 05-07-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2809569)
What concerns me is that we are being shown a before dyno of 272 (correct me if I am wrong) and an after dyno of 361 (again, correct me if I am wrong) which means we are looking at a supposed gain of 89 RWHP. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. These are either dyno sheets of 2 different cars and/or they were taken at 2 different periods of time. Show me the before dyno of the same car and the after dyno of the same car taken on the same day (or close to it) with all the other factors being the same, and then let's talk turkey.
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In my opinion and the testing Ive done in the pass tells me there is much more the VVEL engine can give than what we been used to..

I mostly always did a (before / after) after each modification and its has been repeatable every time.

2 years ago I managed a gain of 68whp and with the current knowledge that we gathered for the pass year . I have no doubt about this 80+gain especially with E85 which proved gain in N/A form same with good race gas, also add the fact the VVEL is now fully tunable by Pro Tuner which can add quite a bit depending on your intake/exhaust setup

at 360whp their 3'' single is actually restricting the flow just saying.

jwick 05-07-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809590)
372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol

I need to get on that dyno. I'd probably make 550whp :rofl2:

TheBoomSpoon 05-07-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809563)
yea well first step in this is for them to talk about what is even being done with it and help out the community....which this is.

trap speed would be cool to see. it better be big for all this talk and "high" numbers. i mean with my tiny WHP i trapped pretty high a few times for N/A. interested to see if this will ever be shown.

You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

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TheBoomSpoon 05-07-2014 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Megan370z (Post 2809637)
In my opinion and the testing Ive done in the pass tells me there is much more the VVEL engine can give than what we been used to..

I mostly always did a (before / after) after each modification and its has been repeatable every time.

2 years ago I managed a gain of 68whp and with the current knowledge that we gathered for the pass year . I have no doubt about this 80+gain especially with E85 which proved gain in N/A form same with good race gas, also add the fact the VVEL is now fully tunable by Pro Tuner which can add quite a bit depending on your intake/exhaust setup

at 360whp their 3'' single is actually restricting the flow just saying.

E85 always the unmentioned mod. Larger injectors and whatever else is required for e85 simply isnt normally in the heads of ppl when we think NA 370z.

Waych yhe 360 whp car do the qtt at 12.6 - 12.7 only then to be told, oh yeah i have 4.08 gears.

Plus manual vs auto effecys dyno #s i was told m370 affects my peak hp (lower), my point a million variables, spend 20 bucks and jam it down the qtr. Im no drag expert and at least in the 7at its pretty damn easy

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FPenvy 05-07-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2809747)
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

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yes 110.74 and i'm on stock gears.

TheBoomSpoon 05-17-2014 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2809765)
yes 110.74 and i'm on stock gears.

Me too but its stupid difficult to go 4.08 on the 7at. Nobody wants anything to with that project so im stock gear also. Was told i would have to buy another quaife for manual after doing gears sincr the onr i have for auto id need to sell or eat it.



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synolimit 05-18-2014 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon (Post 2809747)
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

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I was 106.5 with just a CBE with some gutting. I'm at least 15hp more now with another 50-100lbs lost. You saying gears will provide faster traps without more power?

TheBoomSpoon 05-18-2014 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit (Post 2823271)
I was 106.5 with just a CBE with some gutting. I'm at least 15hp more now with another 50-100lbs lost. You saying gears will provide faster traps without more power?

i would think so but i may be completely wrong, i just drive it.

If i had manual though getting 4.08 would be my first mod before adding power because thats significant butt dyno u will feel

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synolimit 05-18-2014 04:35 AM

My "secret sauce" will be done soon but I'll share.

OEM TB- 2.6" to 2.35" to 2.39".
New TB- 2.6" to 2.55" all the way through.

OEM mani ported to 2.55" at the TB connection and smoothed out runners port matched to the lower mani. Lower mani port and polished as much as possible.

Lowest base I have is 280hp 226tq on a dynojet SAE with rpf1 18" wheels with light weight tires (like 12lbs off OEM), custom cai with OEM accordion post MAF tubes, and topspeed pro 1 true dual CBE with added 18" vibrant resonators.

Then 295hp 243tq same dyno SAE with added Z1 MAF post tubes, muffler delete, Helmholtz resonators added to the X pipe, and ebay LTH wrapped.

Soon will be port and polished TB's and mani's with a tune.

Then maybe later e85, ID 1000's and a walbro 255 with retune.

I'll always do SAE but maybe I'll do a STD to show a difference from our DJ to Z1 and TSM since their two read so much higher than everyone else. If I can't reach 230hp, Z1 and TSM are aiding the dyno numbers. Since both dyno's have had the same tuner involved working on them, I smell something fishy unless I can show similar results.


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