Oil Cooler Sanwich plate noise

The Arp · 08-22-2009, 12:28 AM

I've got a stillen oil cooler kit installed the, one with the sandwich plate that has the spring loaded ball check bypass valve in it. Oil temperatures are significantly reduced and the only downsides are that on short drives my oils sometimes doesn't warm up much and I can still get the oil pretty hot if I work the car over in the canyons for any length of time.

Also, If you get the stillen kit check to make sure the fittings that come preinstalled on the lines are tight. I noticed two of mine leaked after I completed the install (I should have checked the lines before the install

).

So, when I start my car and the oil is cold I noticed a loud rattling noise coming from the engine compartment. Sounds like a ball bearing rattling around viciously.

I get my hands on a ghetto stethoscope (a bicycle handle bar) and start searching around and it became clear that the noise can be heard clearly from the oil filter and sandwich plate. The noise quiets down as the car warms up to the point where you you can't hear it standing next to the car but I can still hear it clearly with the stethoscope.

So I think it is oil going past the ball bearing bypass valve causing it to rattle. This raises two concerns:

1. It really makes a lot of noise cold. If it's constantly slamming against the aluminum in the sandwich plate is it possible for some bits of the material to fatigue and eventually be liberated from the sandwich plate and into my oil filter. Or have spring fatigue and do the same.

2. Its still making noise when hot, which means oil is still bypassing the oil cooler. So my cooler (even with hot oil) is still a significant enough of a restriction that oil chooses to bypass it. Wouldn't be better to get a thermostatic plate and a cooler with bigger lines fitting. It seems to me that I'm not getting the most of my existing core as oil is still bypassing it.

Will some larger lines thermostatic plate fix my issues? I don't want to spend the money on a larger core but it would be nice to get better cooling out of my existing one?

Anyone else with the stillen oil cooler kit getting this noise or is it just me?

Trips · 08-22-2009, 12:17 PM

I think that might be normal I have noticed the rattle type noise on star up and after some seconds it goes away. You might of not noticed it before your oil cooler upgrade. now reading further that it continues even when hot might be something loose?

Modshack · 08-22-2009, 06:25 PM

The Stillen plate is not a thermostatic one. The Ball is strictly for a clogged line or high pressure blow-off. Sounds like there is a problem with it. I'd contact Stillen. What you're hearing is not normal. My Mocal plate makes no noise at all...

The Arp · 08-22-2009, 08:07 PM

Before I installed the sandwich plate I pushed on the ball check valve with my finger and the ball moved very easily. It's like the spring is too soft or something.

I still wonder if anyone else with the stillen kit has this issue as well?

The noise can't really be heard from the drivers seat but can easily be heard when running with the hood open standing next to it.

I will call stillen on monday

mikeacetate · 09-09-2009, 02:00 AM

I have noticed that my 370z gets a tapping sound in the engine once it has been hammered for a while. I don't hear it until it gets quite hot.

Going to have it checked out by nissan asap.

Anyone else have the same issue?

imag · 09-09-2009, 11:21 AM

Any update on this thread?

Minicobra1 · 04-21-2010, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imag

Any update on this thread?

Yeah, any updates?? I'm going to have the Stillen HD cooler installed on Fri or Sat, but now I'm concerned. Maybe get the Mocal Thermostatic plate in place of the Stillen one ??

ryanboy · 05-03-2010, 09:58 AM

ok i did a video with sound using my phone... i can hear it when you listen near the front tire and on top of the engine. i dont know if this is normal or loud enough but check it out and let me know what you think.

its only 38 seconds and its dark in my garage but what i did was put the phone near the front tire then moved the phone to the engine.

please check it out and let me know what you think... is this normal????!

Nismo :: Nismo knocking video by ryanboy20 - Photobucket

cossie1600 · 05-03-2010, 11:54 AM

motor ticking?

semtex · 05-03-2010, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minicobra1

Yeah, any updates?? I'm going to have the Stillen HD cooler installed on Fri or Sat, but now I'm concerned. Maybe get the Mocal Thermostatic plate in place of the Stillen one ??

That's what I did. No problems or noise with the Mocal plate.

08-22-2009, 12:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
The Arp Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Simi Valley Posts: 38 Drives: 2009 370z white m6 Rep Power: 16	Oil Cooler Sanwich plate noise I've got a stillen oil cooler kit installed the, one with the sandwich plate that has the spring loaded ball check bypass valve in it. Oil temperatures are significantly reduced and the only downsides are that on short drives my oils sometimes doesn't warm up much and I can still get the oil pretty hot if I work the car over in the canyons for any length of time. Also, If you get the stillen kit check to make sure the fittings that come preinstalled on the lines are tight. I noticed two of mine leaked after I completed the install (I should have checked the lines before the install). So, when I start my car and the oil is cold I noticed a loud rattling noise coming from the engine compartment. Sounds like a ball bearing rattling around viciously. I get my hands on a ghetto stethoscope (a bicycle handle bar) and start searching around and it became clear that the noise can be heard clearly from the oil filter and sandwich plate. The noise quiets down as the car warms up to the point where you you can't hear it standing next to the car but I can still hear it clearly with the stethoscope. So I think it is oil going past the ball bearing bypass valve causing it to rattle. This raises two concerns: 1. It really makes a lot of noise cold. If it's constantly slamming against the aluminum in the sandwich plate is it possible for some bits of the material to fatigue and eventually be liberated from the sandwich plate and into my oil filter. Or have spring fatigue and do the same. 2. Its still making noise when hot, which means oil is still bypassing the oil cooler. So my cooler (even with hot oil) is still a significant enough of a restriction that oil chooses to bypass it. Wouldn't be better to get a thermostatic plate and a cooler with bigger lines fitting. It seems to me that I'm not getting the most of my existing core as oil is still bypassing it. Will some larger lines thermostatic plate fix my issues? I don't want to spend the money on a larger core but it would be nice to get better cooling out of my existing one? Anyone else with the stillen oil cooler kit getting this noise or is it just me? Last edited by The Arp; 08-22-2009 at 11:08 AM.

08-22-2009, 12:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland, Ca Posts: 8,732 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	I think that might be normal I have noticed the rattle type noise on star up and after some seconds it goes away. You might of not noticed it before your oil cooler upgrade. now reading further that it continues even when hot might be something loose? __________________ Last edited by Trips; 08-22-2009 at 01:04 PM.

08-22-2009, 06:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 977	The Stillen plate is not a thermostatic one. The Ball is strictly for a clogged line or high pressure blow-off. Sounds like there is a problem with it. I'd contact Stillen. What you're hearing is not normal. My Mocal plate makes no noise at all... __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here!

05-03-2010, 09:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
ryanboy Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 201 Drives: Red z34 09 0060 Rep Power: 16	ok i did a video with sound using my phone... i can hear it when you listen near the front tire and on top of the engine. i dont know if this is normal or loud enough but check it out and let me know what you think. its only 38 seconds and its dark in my garage but what i did was put the phone near the front tire then moved the phone to the engine. please check it out and let me know what you think... is this normal????! Nismo :: Nismo knocking video by ryanboy20 - Photobucket __________________ Slut RED Nismo Z34 2009 #60

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The Arp Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Simi Valley Posts: 38 Drives: 2009 370z white m6 Rep Power: 16	Before I installed the sandwich plate I pushed on the ball check valve with my finger and the ball moved very easily. It's like the spring is too soft or something. I still wonder if anyone else with the stillen kit has this issue as well? The noise can't really be heard from the drivers seat but can easily be heard when running with the hood open standing next to it. I will call stillen on monday

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