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Originally Posted by VCuomo You are absolutely correct - the dealer usually makes a lot more profit doing non-warranty work. That's because they rip off the consumer, but the car

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Old 01-13-2011, 09:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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You are absolutely correct - the dealer usually makes a lot more profit doing non-warranty work.
That's because they rip off the consumer, but the car companies have their balls in a noose and they can't get away with it.

The average car mechanic bills 15 hours of labor for an 8 hour work day, with lots of smoke breaks.

Any auto mechanics in the house who can confirm, or want to argue?
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That's because they rip off the consumer, but the car companies have their balls in a noose and they can't get away with it.

The average car mechanic bills 15 hours of labor for an 8 hour work day, with lots of smoke breaks.

Any auto mechanics in the house who can confirm, or want to argue?
Sure

1. I don't smoke.
2. Show me a dealer that I can rake in 15 hours a day and I'll go there now, if you think all we do is just spin one wrench and then flag a hour for it your quite wrong.
3. Your paying not only for the time it takes to do the job but also for the experience and training of the dealer tech. Not to mention your also paying for the right to come back and chew out both me the service advisor and the manager if everythings not right with your car.
4. I'm happy flagging 8 hours a day. If I make more then that great but I don't want to screw people in the process for it. When you don't come back because of a bad experience then that means we just lost a customer.

I work for BMW and have now for 3 years since graduating school, our cars tend to go anywhere from 12,15k between oil changes. In that time the engines use about 1.5 to 2qts that we top up when the customer comes in.
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1. I don't smoke.
2. Show me a dealer that I can rake in 15 hours a day and I'll go there now, if you think all we do is just spin one wrench and then flag a hour for it your quite wrong.
3. Your paying not only for the time it takes to do the job but also for the experience and training of the dealer tech. Not to mention your also paying for the right to come back and chew out both me the service advisor and the manager if everythings not right with your car.
4. I'm happy flagging 8 hours a day. If I make more then that great but I don't want to screw people in the process for it. When you don't come back because of a bad experience then that means we just lost a customer.

I work for BMW and have now for 3 years since graduating school, our cars tend to go anywhere from 12,15k between oil changes. In that time the engines use about 1.5 to 2qts that we top up when the customer comes in.
I've worked in quite a few dealerships that routinely billed in hour increments when a job took 10 minutes. Dealerships charge by what their book tells them to charge. If the bok says the job should take 2 hours, and the tech finishes it in 65 minutes, guess what? Customer is billed for 2 hours.

Just because you get paid 8 hours doesn't mean the dealership didn't bill 12 hours for your labor.
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I've worked in quite a few dealerships that routinely billed in hour increments when a job took 10 minutes. Dealerships charge by what their book tells them to charge. If the bok says the job should take 2 hours, and the tech finishes it in 65 minutes, guess what? Customer is billed for 2 hours.

Just because you get paid 8 hours doesn't mean the dealership didn't bill 12 hours for your labor.
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That's because they rip off the consumer, but the car companies have their balls in a noose and they can't get away with it.

The average car mechanic bills 15 hours of labor for an 8 hour work day, with lots of smoke breaks.

Any auto mechanics in the house who can confirm, or want to argue?
I'm not employed as a mechanic, but I have relatives who are or who own their own shop so I know that what you stated above is pure BS.

When a dealer performs warranty work the price for each job is set by the auto manufacturer - in other words, the profit margin that the dealer gets is limited. When the dealer does non-warranty work, they can essentially charge whatever they want.

It has nothing to do with double-charging or smoke breaks by the mechanics doing the work.

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I am getting a new Short Block!

My 370z has 39k miles on it and developed a Tick in the engine, sounded like a bad lifter. It started after an oil change last week so I took it back to the dealer and had them replace the oil thinking maybe they did not put in the Ester Oil. I didn't think that would help but they have to go through all the motions. Went in today and had three services managers working with me. Then after an hour of testing and listen they came back and said we are going to replace the short block

My Z has consumed 1 quart of oil every 3,000 miles the entire time I have owned it. I passed it off as normally since I have read that it was not excessive enough to warrant a new motor, and just top'd it off when needed. But I have more miles then most 370z owners so thought I would post my experience here. My Z was built in late 2008, thats not a typo I was surprise when they told me the build date. They had service bulletin with a series of steps they needed to take to ensure that my issue was related to the short block. The dealer is ordering the parts right now. I will definitely post back when I have my new short block it should be in two weeks, hopefully!
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I am getting a new Short Block!

My 370z has 39k miles on it and developed a Tick in the engine, sounded like a bad lifter. It started after an oil change last week so I took it back to the dealer and had them replace the oil thinking maybe they did not put in the Ester Oil. I didn't think that would help but they have to go through all the motions. Went in today and had three services managers working with me. Then after an hour of testing and listen they came back and said we are going to replace the short block
Interesting. Did you get any idea of what that ticking sound actually is?
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Congrats on new engine sblock! At 39000, I am going to assume they are pursuing warranty ($0.00 to you)? Will they give you another warranty period on the new short block?

Did they say what is wrong with the engine? How bad was the 'tick'?

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I am getting a new Short Block!

My 370z has 39k miles on it and developed a Tick in the engine, sounded like a bad lifter. It started after an oil change last week so I took it back to the dealer and had them replace the oil thinking maybe they did not put in the Ester Oil. I didn't think that would help but they have to go through all the motions. Went in today and had three services managers working with me. Then after an hour of testing and listen they came back and said we are going to replace the short block

My Z has consumed 1 quart of oil every 3,000 miles the entire time I have owned it. I passed it off as normally since I have read that it was not excessive enough to warrant a new motor, and just top'd it off when needed. But I have more miles then most 370z owners so thought I would post my experience here. My Z was built in late 2008, thats not a typo I was surprise when they told me the build date. They had service bulletin with a series of steps they needed to take to ensure that my issue was related to the short block. The dealer is ordering the parts right now. I will definitely post back when I have my new short block it should be in two weeks, hopefully!
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My short block is going in next week. Having them install an oil cooler while they're in there. Yes I'm getting a loaner just like I did when they changed the cam sprockets and timing chains. Mine burns 2.5 quarts per every 1,400 miles.
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Interesting. Did you get any idea of what that ticking sound actually is?
Its sounds just like a lifter going bad 'tick' a 'tick' a 'tick' a 'tick', injectors have a quicker 't' 't' 't' 't' sound. Before I took it to the dealer I went to youtube and checked out a bunch of other (Maxima's, G35's, and 350z's) that had lifter or rod knock to get an idea of what the sound was. It definitely sounded more like a tick then a knock. So it did not sound like a throw rod. But when in 2 weeks of the first sign of the tick the noise started to get louder and making noise all the time at idle and 1800-3500 rpm.

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Congrats on new engine sblock! At 39000, I am going to assume they are pursuing warranty ($0.00 to you)? Will they give you another warranty period on the new short block?

Did they say what is wrong with the engine? How bad was the 'tick'?
It will be taken care of under warranty, which is great considering the cost of repairs. After the dealer drove my Z around a lot and listened to the noise they said without a doubt is coming for the bottom of the engine (Short Block). They discovered this by having it on the lift and reving to 1800rpm where the tick was very loud and easy to discover in the shop. If you are modded keep all your stock parts and return to stock if you have issues. They did not care about the after market exhaust at all, that surprised me and of course made me very happy knowing I can just keep it on there. They wanted all my oil history which is not a problem since I am one of those suckers that got every oil change at the dealer ever 3-4k miles.
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It will be taken care of under warranty, which is great considering the cost of repairs. After the dealer drove my Z around a lot and listened to the noise they said without a doubt is coming for the bottom of the engine (Short Block). They discovered this by having it on the lift and reving to 1800rpm where the tick was very loud and easy to discover in the shop. If you are modded keep all your stock parts and return to stock if you have issues. They did not care about the after market exhaust at all, that surprised me and of course made me very happy knowing I can just keep it on there. They wanted all my oil history which is not a problem since I am one of those suckers that got every oil change at the dealer ever 3-4k miles.
Did you replace all of your mods with stock before you brought it in?
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I got my Z back from the Dealer with the new Short Block. $6300.00 for parts/repairs good thing its under warranty. First off my car sounds so much better. Has a nice deep growl to it and the tick is gone. Now I have to go through the 1200 mile break in again and keep my eyes on the oil. I know it will consume a little oil during break in but should not consume any after 5000 miles or 2nd oil change. I will post back once I have a few thousand miles on it. Got to say I really missed my 370z makes me appreciate it even more now that I am driving it again. And like I said it sounds so much better big howling growl at 3500rpm, music to my ears!
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