Is my oil cooler overkill for the street?

RegPei · 08-27-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

So I recently had my Z1 19-row cooler installed and it includes the Sandwich Plate. It's taking around 20 minutes for the temp to get up to 180 degrees in 80 degree weather. Once it gets there it's stable at about 190 degrees. Considering I shouldn't romp on the car until it gets to at least 180 degrees, it kinda sucks it's taking so long to reach this minimum temp. How long is it taking the rest of you guys to hit 180 with a similar setup as me? Should it be taking this long considering I have a sandwich plate?

20 mins seems awfully long. I have a 25 row and it takes about 4-5 miles of easy driving (RPM < 3000) to get it up to 180 in 75 degree weather. What kind of driving are you doing in those 20 mins?

bmarcinczyk14 · 08-27-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RegPei

20 mins seems awfully long. I have a 25 row and it takes about 4-5 miles of easy driving (RPM < 3000) to get it up to 180 in 75 degree weather. What kind of driving are you doing in those 20 mins?

Same kind of driving. I don't know what the deal is, I bought the kit that came with the thermostatic sandwich plate and my installer verified it was installed. Maybe it isn't functioning properly or it was mis-installed? I'll have to call up the installer and find out whats going on.

Edit: I would like to point out that I've really only traveled about 5-6 miles in that 20 minutes.

Arrvaxx · 08-27-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RegPei

20 mins seems awfully long. I have a 25 row and it takes about 4-5 miles of easy driving (RPM < 3000) to get it up to 180 in 75 degree weather. What kind of driving are you doing in those 20 mins?

Seems aweful long. But then again I am more than happy to replace an engine after 10 years of romping on her out of the driveway so maybe it just seems long to me.

Chuck33079 · 08-27-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

Edit: I would like to point out that I've really only traveled about 5-6 miles in that 20 minutes.

Maybe we're too hung up on the time when we should be looking more at distance, because your mileage is close to mine but the time is twice as long. If you're sitting in traffic not moving with the car idling, oil temp is going to take a while to come up.

bmarcinczyk14 · 08-27-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Maybe we're too hung up on the time when we should be looking more at distance, because your mileage is close to mine but the time is twice as long. If you're sitting in traffic not moving with the car idling, oil temp is going to take a while to come up.

And maybe the actual time was more like 10-15 minutes. I just drove from work for lunch, temp is about 92 degrees outside and it took almost 4 miles to hit 180 degree oil temp

Chuck33079 · 08-27-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

And maybe the actual time was more like 10-15 minutes. I just drove from work for lunch, temp is about 92 degrees outside and it took almost 4 miles to hit 180 degree oil temp

That's not too far off then. I'm at operating temps in 4ish miles, and that's between 5-10 min depending on how many lights I hit.

Arrvaxx · 08-27-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Maybe we're too hung up on the time when we should be looking more at distance, because your mileage is close to mine but the time is twice as long. If you're sitting in traffic not moving with the car idling, oil temp is going to take a while to come up.

Very good point.

OP if things are working correctly, and Chuck makes a great point, the cooler is a very small investment for the day you really need it. It is 92 here today and without a cooler my oil was 240 cruising at 85 for 15 miles. Last night I was having a bit, a BIT, of fun and it was almost 250. As a result I change my oil often even for full syn...you pay one way or the other.

bmarcinczyk14 · 08-27-2013, 01:50 PM

Is there any easy way just to verify my thermostatic sandwich plate is operating the way it should?

fuct · 08-27-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

Same kind of driving. I don't know what the deal is, I bought the kit that came with the thermostatic sandwich plate and my installer verified it was installed. Maybe it isn't functioning properly or it was mis-installed? I'll have to call up the installer and find out whats going on.

Edit: I would like to point out that I've really only traveled about 5-6 miles in that 20 minutes.

that sounds like my morning commute. and for me the oil still isnt warm as i pull into work.

so i think you are fine with your oil cooler.

Mandingo · 08-27-2013, 07:13 PM

You might consider the 200 degree thermostatic plate from Mocal. I have one, though I haven't installed it yet. The 180 degree thermostat begins opening around 170 F and the 200 degree thermostat begins opening around 190 F according to the guys at BAT Inc. (Mocal distributers).

Part number: MOC-SP1FT-HT

Link to racepartswholesale.com

Or call BAT Inc. and place your order over the phone to save a few bucks

bmarcinczyk14 · 08-27-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandingo

You might consider the 200 degree thermostatic plate from Mocal. I have one, though I haven't installed it yet. The 180 degree thermostat begins opening around 170 F and the 200 degree thermostat begins opening around 190 F according to the guys at BAT Inc. (Mocal distributers).

Part number: MOC-SP1FT-HT

Link to racepartswholesale.com

Or call BAT Inc. and place your order over the phone to save a few bucks

I have which ever thermostatic temp this kit came with, doesn't tell you in the ad so not sure?
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SouthArk370Z · 08-27-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

I have which ever thermostatic temp this kit came with, doesn't tell you in the ad so not sure?
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phunk · 08-27-2013, 09:38 PM

I am almost positive that the Mocal thermostatic sandwich plates are not capable of 100% bypass. Its been several years since I played with one, so I cannot remember. But I could swear that they never completely bypass the oil cooler, just some. Might want to look into that.

As for your warmup time/distance, sounds normal to me. Waiting until the oil temps hit 180 to beat on it? Not me, no way no how. I wont go full-power power-shifting drag runs until 140 degrees on the oil. But once the oil temp gauge has started to move, I pretty much drive how I drive.

critical · 08-28-2013, 11:51 AM

are you driving on the freeway the whole time? if you're getting a lot of air flow it's possible to take that long. if i'm on the freeway at night, sometimes I can't get above 170 lol

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Originally Posted by phunk

I am almost positive that the Mocal thermostatic sandwich plates are not capable of 100% bypass. Its been several years since I played with one, so I cannot remember. But I could swear that they never completely bypass the oil cooler, just some. Might want to look into that.

As for your warmup time/distance, sounds normal to me. Waiting until the oil temps hit 180 to beat on it? Not me, no way no how. I wont go full-power power-shifting drag runs until 140 degrees on the oil. But once the oil temp gauge has started to move, I pretty much drive how I drive.

think with thermostatic plates the oil chooses the path of least resistance so it's never fully blocked off per say.

phunk · 08-28-2013, 04:10 PM

ya thats what im saying.. so if the thermostat isnt fully closed then its not 100% bypassing. but at temp, it better not bypass at all or i wouldnt want it.

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bmarcinczyk14 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 505 Drives: 2010 370z 6spd Sport Rep Power: 17	Is there any easy way just to verify my thermostatic sandwich plate is operating the way it should? __________________ '10 370z -- '09 Ducati 848 -- '05 Kawasaki 636 Track Bike -- '02 Sentra SE-R Spec V

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Mandingo Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 625 Drives: '10 370z 6spd Rep Power: 3371	You might consider the 200 degree thermostatic plate from Mocal. I have one, though I haven't installed it yet. The 180 degree thermostat begins opening around 170 F and the 200 degree thermostat begins opening around 190 F according to the guys at BAT Inc. (Mocal distributers). Part number: MOC-SP1FT-HT Link to racepartswholesale.com Or call BAT Inc. and place your order over the phone to save a few bucks __________________ some mods

08-27-2013, 09:38 PM	#28 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	I am almost positive that the Mocal thermostatic sandwich plates are not capable of 100% bypass. Its been several years since I played with one, so I cannot remember. But I could swear that they never completely bypass the oil cooler, just some. Might want to look into that. As for your warmup time/distance, sounds normal to me. Waiting until the oil temps hit 180 to beat on it? Not me, no way no how. I wont go full-power power-shifting drag runs until 140 degrees on the oil. But once the oil temp gauge has started to move, I pretty much drive how I drive. Whtfairladyz and Cbtech like this. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

08-28-2013, 04:10 PM	#30 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	ya thats what im saying.. so if the thermostat isnt fully closed then its not 100% bypassing. but at temp, it better not bypass at all or i wouldnt want it. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

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