Is my oil cooler overkill for the street?

critical · 09-03-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671

What size Oil Cooler do you guys recommend for DD and Spirited/Weekend Tracking? A friend of mine had a 25 Row and told me it was good for DD but that his Temps hit 240 after a few rounds at the track. Would a 34 Row be more suffice?

depends on what kind of oil cooler it is. the z1 kits use the setrab 6 series cooler. i'd say just get the z1 34 row with the thermostatic plate since it looks like you're in a hot climate.

PaulZ370 · 09-03-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

Did you have a thermostatic plate when you initially installed ur oil cooler?

No - was not very well aware of all the options at the time. I just chose the Stillen Kit thinking I can't go wrong, and I did not see an option for a thermostatic plate, so I had no clue. Don't get me wrong, I trust the hoses and fittings knowing they are Stillen and they won't blow apart on the road somewhere, I just wish they had an option for the thermo-plate...

critical · 09-03-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulZ370

No - was not very well aware of all the options at the time. I just chose the Stillen Kit thinking I can't go wrong, and I did not see an option for a thermostatic plate, so I had no clue. Don't get me wrong, I trust the hoses and fittings knowing they are Stillen and they won't blow apart on the road somewhere, I just wish they had an option for the thermo-plate...

the thermo plate they charge you 50 bucks for is made by Hayden automotive. it's like 25-30 bucks online.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hda-243/overview/

L33T Z34 · 09-04-2013, 12:05 AM

It takes @ least 10' for my oil temp to see 80°C holding the RPMs around 1,500 RPM, on a cold start in mid 80s F. I wait ‘till the water temp is @ 50°C ‘till I Roll Out.

roplusbee · 09-01-2013, 05:33 PM

Well.........I start my car well before I need to leave to go to PT. I am talking like 10-15 mins ahead of time. I live in an apartment complex where a lot of other folks in my profession live, so no one gets pissed off when she is growling at 0515-0530 in the morning, lol. When I lived in a housing development, it was a different story.

In the winter, I have a much harder time getting up to temp. I let it run for at least 15 mins before I get in to take off. A lot of times, the temp never goes above 160 when it is cold out. I have seen 150-170 while on the highway on my way home to Baltimore. I just set the cruise and stay outta boost. I have a 34-row; non-thermostatic, no block-off.......for reference.

Zoren 370 · 09-01-2013, 06:13 PM

try driving the Z at lower gears longer that would warm up the oil faster...I drive mostly freeway early mornings at 5th gear only for 5 to 7mins around rpm's lower than 4K at a speed of 75 -79miles. 190F is reached faster... then gun it like a mad man....

City driving would play mostly 2nd and 3rd gear rpms running at 3K+ longer that should do it faster.

roplusbee · 09-01-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

try driving the Z at lower gears longer that would warm up the oil faster...I drive mostly freeway early mornings at 5th gear only for 5 to 7mins around rpm's lower than 4K at a speed of 75 -79miles. 190F is reached faster... then gun it like a mad man....

City driving would play mostly 2nd and 3rd gear rpms running at 3K+ longer that should do it faster.

If I let it rev over 3k even at low throttle, it starts making boost. I feel you though, lol.

ltullos · 09-01-2013, 06:34 PM

I'm in Dallas and just bought the Z1 34 Row kit to be able to take it to the track. The 34 will be overkill for daily driving as I've only hit about 230 even on the hottest days. Nonetheless, I figure its always better to have too much cooling as I can always block it off.

I've seen the OPs using velcro to attach block-off plate, but I wanted something different. I went to Home Depot today and bought J-channel used for mount mirrors for $10. Then I cut some black foam board from Office Depot I had sitting around from another project that sits in the channel nicely and won't rattle around. Also very easy to cut in case I just want to partially block. Here's photos with and without

122554 · 09-01-2013, 06:42 PM

I gotta get mine installed. Temps in the low 90's. Driving across a long bridge in 5th at 5K RPM's, my oil hit 235!

1slow370 · 09-04-2013, 03:12 AM

yeah i had a thermostatic plate it was one of those bad lines/ defect things.

Gtr has 2 stage one scavenges from the turbos and sprays toward the pickup the other goes from the pickup through the cooler and to the engine, driven from it's own timing chain.

The vk56vd also has the pump driven by a separate timing chain, but it is the traditional one stage from there.

shouldn't forget to mention that they do this so they can run the pump slower than the crank between .5-.75x crank rpm

bmarcinczyk14 · 09-04-2013, 08:10 AM

I'm beginning to think either my thermo plate did not get installed or it's not working properly. This morning it was 64 degrees and it took 18 miles just for my oil temp to hit 180, and once I started cruising on the hwy at 80mph it started going below 180. That is ridiculous! I almost wish I didn't have this cooler, I should not have to wait that long before I can go wot with piece of mind.

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 08:36 AM

My guess is that somehow you got the non-thermostatic plate. 18 miles is way too long. I'd contact the vendor and ask them what's going on.

bmarcinczyk14 · 09-04-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

My guess is that somehow you got the non-thermostatic plate. 18 miles is way too long. I'd contact the vendor and ask them what's going on.

I did, here is his response.....

Brandon,

That sounds about right to me as the cooling will begin as soon as it opens. We will be releasing a block off plate when the company that we’re going through can finalize the production cost.

Thanks,

Chuck33079 · 09-04-2013, 08:42 AM

Well, looks like it's time to DIY a blockoff plate and put it over the cooler. Leave it on unless ambient temps are in the 90s. There's a pretty good walkthrough here from what I remember.

bmarcinczyk14 · 09-04-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Well, looks like it's time to DIY a blockoff plate and put it over the cooler. Leave it on unless ambient temps are in the 90s. There's a pretty good walkthrough here from what I remember.

I was under the impression that the thermo plate should allow me to not need a block off plate. I'm starting to second guess my purchase of this cooler, since I'll only be doing street driving.

09-01-2013, 05:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	Well.........I start my car well before I need to leave to go to PT. I am talking like 10-15 mins ahead of time. I live in an apartment complex where a lot of other folks in my profession live, so no one gets pissed off when she is growling at 0515-0530 in the morning, lol. When I lived in a housing development, it was a different story. In the winter, I have a much harder time getting up to temp. I let it run for at least 15 mins before I get in to take off. A lot of times, the temp never goes above 160 when it is cold out. I have seen 150-170 while on the highway on my way home to Baltimore. I just set the cruise and stay outta boost. I have a 34-row; non-thermostatic, no block-off.......for reference. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

09-01-2013, 06:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
ltullos Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: DFW Posts: 312 Drives: 2016 Nismo Tech MT Rep Power: 15	I'm in Dallas and just bought the Z1 34 Row kit to be able to take it to the track. The 34 will be overkill for daily driving as I've only hit about 230 even on the hottest days. Nonetheless, I figure its always better to have too much cooling as I can always block it off. I've seen the OPs using velcro to attach block-off plate, but I wanted something different. I went to Home Depot today and bought J-channel used for mount mirrors for $10. Then I cut some black foam board from Office Depot I had sitting around from another project that sits in the channel nicely and won't rattle around. Also very easy to cut in case I just want to partially block. Here's photos with and without gurneyeagle and dts3 like this.

09-01-2013, 06:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
122554 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: My own world Posts: 506 Drives: 2010 Nismo Rep Power: 14	I gotta get mine installed. Temps in the low 90's. Driving across a long bridge in 5th at 5K RPM's, my oil hit 235! __________________ I don't normally drink beer, but when I do....i drink a lot!

09-04-2013, 03:12 AM	#10 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	yeah i had a thermostatic plate it was one of those bad lines/ defect things. Gtr has 2 stage one scavenges from the turbos and sprays toward the pickup the other goes from the pickup through the cooler and to the engine, driven from it's own timing chain. The vk56vd also has the pump driven by a separate timing chain, but it is the traditional one stage from there. shouldn't forget to mention that they do this so they can run the pump slower than the crank between .5-.75x crank rpm __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 09-04-2013 at 03:14 AM.

09-04-2013, 08:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
bmarcinczyk14 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 505 Drives: 2010 370z 6spd Sport Rep Power: 17	I'm beginning to think either my thermo plate did not get installed or it's not working properly. This morning it was 64 degrees and it took 18 miles just for my oil temp to hit 180, and once I started cruising on the hwy at 80mph it started going below 180. That is ridiculous! I almost wish I didn't have this cooler, I should not have to wait that long before I can go wot with piece of mind. __________________ '10 370z -- '09 Ducati 848 -- '05 Kawasaki 636 Track Bike -- '02 Sentra SE-R Spec V

09-04-2013, 12:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
L33T Z34 Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ahnald, MO Age: 47 Posts: 387 Drives: 09 K51 G C Bw/S 6MT Rep Power: 0	It takes @ least 10' for my oil temp to see 80°C holding the RPMs around 1,500 RPM, on a cold start in mid 80s F. I wait ‘till the water temp is @ 50°C ‘till I Roll Out.

09-01-2013, 06:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Zoren 370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL Posts: 11,018 Drives: 11 Nissan 370 M6 Rep Power: 1913654	try driving the Z at lower gears longer that would warm up the oil faster...I drive mostly freeway early mornings at 5th gear only for 5 to 7mins around rpm's lower than 4K at a speed of 75 -79miles. 190F is reached faster... then gun it like a mad man.... City driving would play mostly 2nd and 3rd gear rpms running at 3K+ longer that should do it faster.

09-04-2013, 08:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	My guess is that somehow you got the non-thermostatic plate. 18 miles is way too long. I'd contact the vendor and ask them what's going on. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

09-04-2013, 08:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Well, looks like it's time to DIY a blockoff plate and put it over the cooler. Leave it on unless ambient temps are in the 90s. There's a pretty good walkthrough here from what I remember. SouthArk370Z likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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