Add another one to possible failed CSC

OldFart · 07-30-2013, 11:37 AM

2011 Sport, bought used with 14,5K, now has 17K...

UPDATE: Called dealership to find out if anything, having a CSC overnighted and flushing system with GTR brake fluid, said it was easier to replace the CSC and put in the new fluid then to keep the current one and flush system.
So hopefully tomorrow I get it back..

Started Saturday when I went to pull out of a chinese buffet, go to pull and I stall the car (first time since I owned it - 3 months). Don't think anything of it, figure I just screwed up. Saturday take trip up to gf's place (60 miles - all highway), take the exit ramp and go to downshift, clutch goes more than half before it grabs and it's like WTF, the rest of the way to her place the clutch definately isn't right. Don't drive the car the rest of the weekend.

Call local dealership yesterday, say I'm driving home today and will be another long trip, if I experiance anymore clutch issues heading right to them. Last night take the car aound the block and clutch feels normal. Coming home this morning, hit a bird going 70 (go figure - luckily no marks). About 20 miles from dealership, do a press on the clutch and it feels like it did the other night, call them and say I'm coming in, hit a traffic jam and clutch is going to floor but can still shift.

Get to dealership, clutch isn't as bad as it was while driving, a mechanic I guess and service manager drive the car (never turned car off), come back and say clutch feels just the way it should and basically I'm blowing smoke up their A$$ and they won't do anything if I can't prove something is screwed up, they tell me to go on my merry way and contact them if anything else happens.

Drive car to work (20 miles - all highway), about 10 miles into trip, press clutch, acting up again, but this time I get the occasional sticking and will only come up with foot assitance, take my exit and feels worse then it did before, pull into parking lot and pedal sticks twice when shifting...

Call Service Manager back, says he'll call so and so and get back to me, I hope this isn't normal for this kind of crap with a dealership...

cheshirecat · 07-30-2013, 11:47 AM

You may have to get a tech to ride with you to show them the problem.

tibal · 07-30-2013, 11:49 AM

Ughh worst feeling ever..

Definitely have the tech take a ride to demonstrate.

A few short pulls and that thing will drop like a ton of bricks to the floor.

OldFart · 07-30-2013, 12:29 PM

What irritated me the most was the fact at this dealership they said they have only encountered anything remotely like this once or twice and there is no way it could be happening to their premier sports car. I mentioned at our shop that a guy just had brought in an 09' and this was the 3rd CSC he was having put in (79K miles), their response was the guy didn't know how how to drive stick. The one service writer said they put GTR brake fluid in a Z and the guy never came back - his thinking was that it fixed the car.

Fountainhead · 07-30-2013, 02:10 PM

Hey Oldfart,

So I guess you're wanting to try to get it warrantied? Sounds like they don't want to do the work. Something I hear a lot in the forum is to try another dealer? As you well know it's a toss-up as to whether it will be warrantied or not. I would certainly try.

Good Luck!

ChrisSlicks · 07-30-2013, 02:35 PM

If it isn't leaking then it hasn't failed completely, and the fact that it comes back to life after cooling down may indicate that fluid is simply cooked and is experiencing air pockets. A full flush with high temp brake fluid should cure your problem I would think.

OldFart · 07-30-2013, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

If it isn't leaking then it hasn't failed completely, and the fact that it comes back to life after cooling down may indicate that fluid is simply cooked and is experiencing air pockets. A full flush with high temp brake fluid should cure your problem I would think.

Well, service manager called back and said he found a TSB describing exactly what I am encountering, alot more friendly this time also. Still bringing the car to the dealer on Thursday, they are going to flush the old fluid and put in GTR brake fluid in it's place. That is pretty much where it stands at the moment.

On a good note, got my GTR lenses for the interior, my Fairlady Z emblem and new gaskets so I can put my HFC's on all from Z1 Motorsports!!!

07-30-2013, 11:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
OldFart Track Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Carlisle, PA Age: 62 Posts: 682 Drives: 2011 Wannabe Nismo Rep Power: 960	Add another one to possible failed CSC 2011 Sport, bought used with 14,5K, now has 17K... UPDATE: Called dealership to find out if anything, having a CSC overnighted and flushing system with GTR brake fluid, said it was easier to replace the CSC and put in the new fluid then to keep the current one and flush system. So hopefully tomorrow I get it back.. Started Saturday when I went to pull out of a chinese buffet, go to pull and I stall the car (first time since I owned it - 3 months). Don't think anything of it, figure I just screwed up. Saturday take trip up to gf's place (60 miles - all highway), take the exit ramp and go to downshift, clutch goes more than half before it grabs and it's like WTF, the rest of the way to her place the clutch definately isn't right. Don't drive the car the rest of the weekend. Call local dealership yesterday, say I'm driving home today and will be another long trip, if I experiance anymore clutch issues heading right to them. Last night take the car aound the block and clutch feels normal. Coming home this morning, hit a bird going 70 (go figure - luckily no marks). About 20 miles from dealership, do a press on the clutch and it feels like it did the other night, call them and say I'm coming in, hit a traffic jam and clutch is going to floor but can still shift. Get to dealership, clutch isn't as bad as it was while driving, a mechanic I guess and service manager drive the car (never turned car off), come back and say clutch feels just the way it should and basically I'm blowing smoke up their A$$ and they won't do anything if I can't prove something is screwed up, they tell me to go on my merry way and contact them if anything else happens. Drive car to work (20 miles - all highway), about 10 miles into trip, press clutch, acting up again, but this time I get the occasional sticking and will only come up with foot assitance, take my exit and feels worse then it did before, pull into parking lot and pedal sticks twice when shifting... Call Service Manager back, says he'll call so and so and get back to me, I hope this isn't normal for this kind of crap with a dealership... Last edited by OldFart; 08-01-2013 at 02:43 PM.

07-30-2013, 11:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
tibal Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Safest Town In America Posts: 987 Drives: TT-370Z and 2.5RS Rep Power: 18	Ughh worst feeling ever.. Definitely have the tech take a ride to demonstrate. A few short pulls and that thing will drop like a ton of bricks to the floor. __________________ 2010 - PG - M6 - 370zTT 453/409 6lbs IG @TRbal10 TEAM FLY1 MOTORSPORTS

07-30-2013, 02:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	If it isn't leaking then it hasn't failed completely, and the fact that it comes back to life after cooling down may indicate that fluid is simply cooked and is experiencing air pockets. A full flush with high temp brake fluid should cure your problem I would think. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

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07-30-2013, 11:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
cheshirecat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,428 Drives: N54 135i Rep Power: 292	You may have to get a tech to ride with you to show them the problem.

07-30-2013, 12:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
OldFart Track Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Carlisle, PA Age: 62 Posts: 682 Drives: 2011 Wannabe Nismo Rep Power: 960	What irritated me the most was the fact at this dealership they said they have only encountered anything remotely like this once or twice and there is no way it could be happening to their premier sports car. I mentioned at our shop that a guy just had brought in an 09' and this was the 3rd CSC he was having put in (79K miles), their response was the guy didn't know how how to drive stick. The one service writer said they put GTR brake fluid in a Z and the guy never came back - his thinking was that it fixed the car.

07-30-2013, 02:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fountainhead Track Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: FL Posts: 834 Drives: 2019 Civic Type R Rep Power: 14	Hey Oldfart, So I guess you're wanting to try to get it warrantied? Sounds like they don't want to do the work. Something I hear a lot in the forum is to try another dealer? As you well know it's a toss-up as to whether it will be warrantied or not. I would certainly try. Good Luck!