Building up the engine

AlexRaymond19 · 07-15-2013, 05:36 PM

Say I want to achieve over 700whp, what would need to be done to the engine? Forged pistons and rods? What else?

DEpointfive0 · 07-15-2013, 06:02 PM

Bore it out.
Want 700HP NA? Lol (assuming not)
And VVEL... Not sure if that's recommended

But you'll need a big àss turbo set up too

SS_Firehawk · 07-15-2013, 06:05 PM

Lol, I vividly remember you busting your @ss getting those headers on not too long ago

GaleForce · 07-15-2013, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexRaymond19

Say I want to achieve over 700whp, what would need to be done to the engine? Forged pistons and rods? What else?

Most important is a trusted/reliable engine builder.

JC671 · 07-15-2013, 06:18 PM

Finished build thread would be the place to go for references.

700whp? Why so much? I think only 1 person is near that number other than the UAM built car.

Most have achieved 500whp on stock block. Safety/reliability is all on the tune and if daily driven or type of use.

elperuano · 07-15-2013, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC671

Finished build thread would be the place to go for references.

700whp? Why so much? I think only 1 person is near that number other than the UAM built car.

Most have achieved 500whp on stock block. Safety/reliability is all on the tune and if daily driven or type of use.

Thissss! There's a thread with all the answers ur looking for.

theDreamer · 07-15-2013, 06:47 PM

This is by far not a complete list, but a solid start: Engine Build Components
First step is to budget & determine what you want. Find your shops & tuners who have the experience and are willing to do the work properly. I would also suggest contracts on a larger build, not really for timeline (delays happen) but for legal reasons if they fail to deliver what they agree to. Hate seeing someone drop 10k+ on an engine and it blows and come to find out the shop scammed them or used lower quality parts.

AlexRaymond19 · 07-15-2013, 07:33 PM

Im at the point where i need to sell the car and buy something else, or keep it forever and build it up. Seriously eyeing 2009 GTR's, but my car is not worth **** anymore. I easily put 40 into it all together, and can sell it for maybe 25 if im lucky. Plus i owe like 10 still... Im in a rough spot. Its my DD, so the miles keep racking up. The paint is a mess, and just a ton of other little **** that bugs me about it. Im going through mid life crisis right now, and im 25... Nothing seems like enough. I seriously need to look at getting a DD so at least i can stop wearing this one out. I love the car, but i just want more power, more speed. If i throw a TT kit on it, thats great and all, but then i would need suspension mods, new brake setup, no to mention my paint job is totally used up. Thats about 4k right there to get it done right. Maybe around 2-3 if i get it wrapped. so add it all up and i have a car that i love, that is slower than a 2009 gtr, and quite a bit more expensive (at the used price) GRRRRRRRRRRR

Okay im done venting. Just in a **** mood today. I really do love my car

Chuck33079 · 07-15-2013, 07:45 PM

Go look what the maintenance on a GTR will cost you. You'll run out to the garage and give your Z a big hug. If I were you, I'd boost it on the stock block with a safe, conservative tune around 500whp. You can always build a motor later.

DEpointfive0 · 07-15-2013, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexRaymond19

Im at the point where i need to sell the car and buy something else, or keep it forever and build it up. Seriously eyeing 2009 GTR's, but my car is not worth **** anymore. I easily put 40 into it all together, and can sell it for maybe 25 if im lucky. Plus i owe like 10 still... Im in a rough spot. Its my DD, so the miles keep racking up. The paint is a mess, and just a ton of other little **** that bugs me about it. Im going through mid life crisis right now, and im 25... Nothing seems like enough. I seriously need to look at getting a DD so at least i can stop wearing this one out. I love the car, but i just want more power, more speed. If i throw a TT kit on it, thats great and all, but then i would need suspension mods, new brake setup, no to mention my paint job is totally used up. Thats about 4k right there to get it done right. Maybe around 2-3 if i get it wrapped. so add it all up and i have a car that i love, that is slower than a 2009 gtr, and quite a bit more expensive (at the used price) GRRRRRRRRRRR

Okay im done venting. Just in a **** mood today. I really do love my car

Wait, you put 40 INTO your car? Or you've got $40 in it?

Chuck33079 · 07-15-2013, 07:52 PM

It's got to be $40k inclusive of the car purchase.

AlexRaymond19 · 07-15-2013, 07:55 PM

more than 40 inclusive of the car purchase. You're right, and the insurance on gtr would be killer.

Chuck33079 · 07-15-2013, 08:12 PM

10 quarts of tranny fluid at $80/qt. $3000 brake jobs. Etc. I'll pass on GTR ownership.

Coon-azz · 07-15-2013, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Go look what the maintenance on a GTR will cost you. You'll run out to the garage and give your Z a big hug. If I were you, I'd boost it on the stock block with a safe, conservative tune around 500whp. You can always build a motor later.

agreed here. This is a lot of HP to put down on a track; unless you're a very experience track junky. Especially for a DD.

Coon-azz · 07-15-2013, 08:52 PM

Mid-life...at 25? I could see it at 35 or 40; but everyone is different. I'd learn to control your Wants over your Needs. Use the $ to get a cheap daily driver, and pay down your Z. Learn to enjoy the car for what it is. If you bought it for straight line drag racing, you bought the wrong car. Its respectable, but this car was meant for carving up the curves. Just my opinion, but it sounds like you're upside down on the value of the Z. In the future, consider looking at the Total Cost of Ownership over, say 5 years. That will give you a good idea of how much the car will cost to maintain and what it will be worth in a few years. Just speaking from experience after having been in your shoes years ago. After having a daily driver though, I ditched it because I ended up just driving my hot rod once in a while and never really learned to enjoy it's full potential.
Now, if I had a GTR or something crazy like that, I'd keep a DD. However, this is why I bought the Z over the Porsche. I'm gonna enjoy it and not feel guilty about it. The difference between a $35k car and a $100k car. Again, just my input.

Also here is a little lesson my father taught me a few years ago. "If you got to worry about the costs to maintain it, you can't afford it." - This coming from a man bought his wife a DB9 for her retirement and himself a RR Phantom to drive back and forth to work in. (and no, money doesn't roll down hill in my family)

..and in case you think I'm full of ***T here I am in my dads garage with his RR Phantom...
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Its good advice and I've learned to live by it...keeps me from getting into that same old situation of letting my WANTS get me into trouble.

07-15-2013, 05:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
AlexRaymond19 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maine Posts: 771 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	Building up the engine Say I want to achieve over 700whp, what would need to be done to the engine? Forged pistons and rods? What else? __________________ 2010 370Z Touring MT \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Momentum\| Z1 \| Fast Intentions \| Advant Garde \| RE11 \| Swift \| SPC \| Quaife \| Whiteline \| Evo R \| 322RWHP 259ft-lb Mustang

07-15-2013, 06:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
DEpointfive0 Premium Member Bitches Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17151	Bore it out. Want 700HP NA? Lol (assuming not) And VVEL... Not sure if that's recommended But you'll need a big àss turbo set up too Wonka2581 likes this. __________________ Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from? ( Click to show/hide ) NSFW due to language:

07-15-2013, 06:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Lol, I vividly remember you busting your @ss getting those headers on not too long ago AlexRaymond19 and DEpointfive0 like this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

07-15-2013, 06:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
JC671 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Guam Posts: 451 Drives: Toretto around Rep Power: 14	Finished build thread would be the place to go for references. 700whp? Why so much? I think only 1 person is near that number other than the UAM built car. Most have achieved 500whp on stock block. Safety/reliability is all on the tune and if daily driven or type of use. elperuano likes this. __________________ A special "Thank You" to the Fast Intentions Crew! "Fueled By Passion"

07-15-2013, 06:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	This is by far not a complete list, but a solid start: Engine Build Components First step is to budget & determine what you want. Find your shops & tuners who have the experience and are willing to do the work properly. I would also suggest contracts on a larger build, not really for timeline (delays happen) but for legal reasons if they fail to deliver what they agree to. Hate seeing someone drop 10k+ on an engine and it blows and come to find out the shop scammed them or used lower quality parts. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-15-2013, 07:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
AlexRaymond19 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maine Posts: 771 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	Im at the point where i need to sell the car and buy something else, or keep it forever and build it up. Seriously eyeing 2009 GTR's, but my car is not worth ** anymore. I easily put 40 into it all together, and can sell it for maybe 25 if im lucky. Plus i owe like 10 still... Im in a rough spot. Its my DD, so the miles keep racking up. The paint is a mess, and just a ton of other little that bugs me about it. Im going through mid life crisis right now, and im 25... Nothing seems like enough. I seriously need to look at getting a DD so at least i can stop wearing this one out. I love the car, but i just want more power, more speed. If i throw a TT kit on it, thats great and all, but then i would need suspension mods, new brake setup, no to mention my paint job is totally used up. Thats about 4k right there to get it done right. Maybe around 2-3 if i get it wrapped. so add it all up and i have a car that i love, that is slower than a 2009 gtr, and quite a bit more expensive (at the used price) GRRRRRRRRRRR Okay im done venting. Just in a mood today. I really do love my car __________________ 2010 370Z Touring MT \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Momentum\| Z1 \| Fast Intentions \| Advant Garde \| RE11 \| Swift \| SPC \| Quaife \| Whiteline \| Evo R \| 322RWHP 259ft-lb Mustang**

07-15-2013, 07:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Go look what the maintenance on a GTR will cost you. You'll run out to the garage and give your Z a big hug. If I were you, I'd boost it on the stock block with a safe, conservative tune around 500whp. You can always build a motor later. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-15-2013, 07:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	It's got to be $40k inclusive of the car purchase. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-15-2013, 07:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
AlexRaymond19 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maine Posts: 771 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	more than 40 inclusive of the car purchase. You're right, and the insurance on gtr would be killer. __________________ 2010 370Z Touring MT \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Momentum\| Z1 \| Fast Intentions \| Advant Garde \| RE11 \| Swift \| SPC \| Quaife \| Whiteline \| Evo R \| 322RWHP 259ft-lb Mustang

07-15-2013, 08:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	10 quarts of tranny fluid at $80/qt. $3000 brake jobs. Etc. I'll pass on GTR ownership. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-15-2013, 08:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Coon-azz Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Fredericksburg,VA Posts: 689 Drives: '12 370z Sport DD Rep Power: 14	Mid-life...at 25? I could see it at 35 or 40; but everyone is different. I'd learn to control your Wants over your Needs. Use the $ to get a cheap daily driver, and pay down your Z. Learn to enjoy the car for what it is. If you bought it for straight line drag racing, you bought the wrong car. Its respectable, but this car was meant for carving up the curves. Just my opinion, but it sounds like you're upside down on the value of the Z. In the future, consider looking at the Total Cost of Ownership over, say 5 years. That will give you a good idea of how much the car will cost to maintain and what it will be worth in a few years. Just speaking from experience after having been in your shoes years ago. After having a daily driver though, I ditched it because I ended up just driving my hot rod once in a while and never really learned to enjoy it's full potential. Now, if I had a GTR or something crazy like that, I'd keep a DD. However, this is why I bought the Z over the Porsche. I'm gonna enjoy it and not feel guilty about it. The difference between a $35k car and a $100k car. Again, just my input. Also here is a little lesson my father taught me a few years ago. "If you got to worry about the costs to maintain it, you can't afford it." - This coming from a man bought his wife a DB9 for her retirement and himself a RR Phantom to drive back and forth to work in. (and no, money doesn't roll down hill in my family) ..and in case you think I'm full of ***T here I am in my dads garage with his RR Phantom... [IMG][/IMG] Its good advice and I've learned to live by it...keeps me from getting into that same old situation of letting my WANTS get me into trouble. Streetlife, GaleForce and logenl7 like this. __________________ I don't care how slow you want to drive; I encourage it. JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THE PASSING LANE YOU TUCK FARD!!!

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