Radiator: CSF or Mishimoto?

Q8y_drifter · 07-06-2013, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

So 260 degree water is ok?
Come run a boosted car in Texas in the summer when the temperature is 100+ and the air temp off the ground is 110-120 on a daily basis. I think last summer I registered a 183 degree intake temp when sitting at a light once because of an accident and I could not move, black top plus idle plus 100 degree temp.

This ^^
I have an 08 G35 HR, not even boosted just idling in 56C (133F) ambient summer temps, water temp was at 110C (235F). That's just crazy. Between the insufficiently thin radiator, 95C thermostat and 98C factory fans temp setting, the cooling system is definitely shitty IMO.

370zrider · 07-06-2013, 09:21 PM

I think both radiators look good. Mishimoto's videos are excellent explaining the details of the radiator and its installation.

However I think there could be problems for people trying to fit intercoolers in the car with Mishimoto's thicker radiator.
There may not be enough space for radiator + oilcooler + intercooler.

Someone with a turbokit has this installation?

red2010z · 07-06-2013, 09:38 PM

I now own a CSF radiator and I will see how she hold up in the El Paso heat!

LafitteZ · 07-07-2013, 11:06 AM

Any of these radiators will be sufficient. I personally have a csf radiator and its been great for me. I think mishimoto is trying to step there game up a bit with there new stuff. It will be good for there business for sure. As for a NA car you could probably get away with a big oil cooler but why take the chance and run your stuff hot like that. It will begin premature wearing of parts. No reason for these cars to be in 230s to 240s. Especially not when we have good solid options like we have. Also if you have a automatic z the radiator is also your transmission cooler so you def want that to be cool. Now when it comes to boosted cars. Most of is are running gtms turbo kit or some variation of it. So you have coolant and oil passing thru the turbos only to return to the radiator and oil pan. You strap on a oil cooler that takes car of that but that also blocks some airflow to the radiator and adds heat directly in front of the radiator. Also add the 3 inch thick intercooler right behind the bumper inlet and the heat that thing will generate under boost so it's easy to tell how overwhelmed and stressed the oem radiator is. Add a good radiator with a NA or boosted setup and your engine will love you. Your ac will be much colder, oil temps colder, I've even seen under hood temps go down. Trust me is down south know what it's like to be hot and humid 80 percent of the year. Chicago is nothing next to New Orleans or cities in Texas Florida ect ect.

LafitteZ · 07-07-2013, 11:09 AM

They both need to get on the ball and get a upgraded fan and shroud plug and play setup!!!

red2010z · 07-07-2013, 11:14 AM

Yeah but made in China gives me a sour taste in my mouth.

SS_Firehawk · 07-07-2013, 12:00 PM

Spending money on GTM's option left me nauseous and my wallet empty. Thank you Red for picking it up btw, my parts sale softened the blow

red2010z · 07-07-2013, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Spending money on GTM's option left me nauseous and my wallet empty. Thank you Red for picking it up btw, my parts sale softened the blow

No worries Thank you for the deal!

LafitteZ · 07-07-2013, 01:49 PM

Yea that sucker is eeexxxpppeeennnsssiiivvveee!!!!! Would've made me sick also.

Mishimoto · 07-08-2013, 02:21 PM

Our products are manufactured in a variety of facilities. Mishimoto is a global provider with offices in Delaware, Los Angeles, Birmingham, United Kingdom and Shanghai, China. All products are designed, engineered and tested in New Castle, Delaware at our corporate headquarters using state of the art machinery (CMM arms, AWD Dyno, Rapid Prototyping, etc.). The manufacturing location depends on the product we are manufacturing. For example, all of our intercooler pipes for diesel trucks are made in Los Angeles. Our stamped aluminum brackets come from Texas. The radiator referenced in this post is in fact made in China, under strict control of our American operated Shanghai branch. We actually do oversee the manufacturing as we have a supply chain office with 10 engineers that work in China and oversee the implementation of our USA designs. We try to make as many parts in the States as possible, where feasible. With that said, much like Samsung or Apple, it comes down to the engineering behind the part and the quality control of the manufacturing. With a lifetime warranty on every part we manufacture, it is safe to say our parts are of the highest quality.

jcast_0089 · 07-09-2013, 01:16 AM

hey guys, I just had my CSF Radiator and Z1 Oil cooler kit installed on my car and drove it home and parked it. When I got out and walked over to the passenger side after letting it sit for a few minutes, I noticed some water leaking from underneath my car. I think that it is the AC leaking. Is it normal for that to happen after the AC gets recharged?

Chuck33079 · 07-09-2013, 06:52 AM

Are you sure it's not normal condensation from the ac?

ChrisSlicks · 07-09-2013, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Are you sure it's not normal condensation from the ac?

This.

It is normal for the A/C to drain condensation.

ColdFire · 07-10-2013, 02:58 PM

This discussion is prompt at the right time, summer is starting to boil and consider a radiator would be up on my list.
question for the Turbo and SS guys, is there enough space to install big oil cooler, csf radiator and intercooler?

theDreamer · 07-10-2013, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdFire

This discussion is prompt at the right time, summer is starting to boil and consider a radiator would be up on my list.
question for the Turbo and SS guys, is there enough space to install big oil cooler, csf radiator and intercooler?

Yes and no.
TT Intercooler->Oil Cooler (up to a certain size)->Radiator will work, but for the single SC guys (GTM) the space between the intercooler & radiator is to small so the oil cooler is mounted off to one side.

07-06-2013, 09:21 PM	#32 (permalink)
370zrider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Mexico Posts: 106 Drives: 370zM6tour12nosport Rep Power: 13	I think both radiators look good. Mishimoto's videos are excellent explaining the details of the radiator and its installation. However I think there could be problems for people trying to fit intercoolers in the car with Mishimoto's thicker radiator. There may not be enough space for radiator + oilcooler + intercooler. Someone with a turbokit has this installation? __________________ Stillen [gen3 CAI + headers + HFC + Exhaust + UD Pulley + lightweight flywheel] + Uprev e-tune+ PC680 Odyssey battery + oil cooler + MishimotoThermostat = 312whp + 252wtq @1,500mts or 5,000ft elevation

07-06-2013, 09:38 PM	#33 (permalink)
red2010z Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Texas/North Carolina Age: 39 Posts: 587 Drives: '10 Red B/S/M Rep Power: 13	I now own a CSF radiator and I will see how she hold up in the El Paso heat! DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ AGENCY K&N SWIFT CSF EVO-R VOSSEN MICHELIN Z1 JVC ZENCLOSURE JLW3 JVC Last edited by red2010z; 07-06-2013 at 09:41 PM.

07-07-2013, 11:14 AM	#36 (permalink)
red2010z Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Texas/North Carolina Age: 39 Posts: 587 Drives: '10 Red B/S/M Rep Power: 13	Yeah but made in China gives me a sour taste in my mouth. __________________ AGENCY K&N SWIFT CSF EVO-R VOSSEN MICHELIN Z1 JVC ZENCLOSURE JLW3 JVC

07-07-2013, 12:00 PM	#37 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Spending money on GTM's option left me nauseous and my wallet empty. Thank you Red for picking it up btw, my parts sale softened the blow __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

07-08-2013, 02:21 PM	#40 (permalink)
Mishimoto Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wilmington, DE Posts: 80 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 14	Our products are manufactured in a variety of facilities. Mishimoto is a global provider with offices in Delaware, Los Angeles, Birmingham, United Kingdom and Shanghai, China. All products are designed, engineered and tested in New Castle, Delaware at our corporate headquarters using state of the art machinery (CMM arms, AWD Dyno, Rapid Prototyping, etc.). The manufacturing location depends on the product we are manufacturing. For example, all of our intercooler pipes for diesel trucks are made in Los Angeles. Our stamped aluminum brackets come from Texas. The radiator referenced in this post is in fact made in China, under strict control of our American operated Shanghai branch. We actually do oversee the manufacturing as we have a supply chain office with 10 engineers that work in China and oversee the implementation of our USA designs. We try to make as many parts in the States as possible, where feasible. With that said, much like Samsung or Apple, it comes down to the engineering behind the part and the quality control of the manufacturing. With a lifetime warranty on every part we manufacture, it is safe to say our parts are of the highest quality. DR_, Chuy, ChipsWithDips and 3 others like this. __________________ Mishimoto Automotive

07-07-2013, 11:06 AM	#34 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	Any of these radiators will be sufficient. I personally have a csf radiator and its been great for me. I think mishimoto is trying to step there game up a bit with there new stuff. It will be good for there business for sure. As for a NA car you could probably get away with a big oil cooler but why take the chance and run your stuff hot like that. It will begin premature wearing of parts. No reason for these cars to be in 230s to 240s. Especially not when we have good solid options like we have. Also if you have a automatic z the radiator is also your transmission cooler so you def want that to be cool. Now when it comes to boosted cars. Most of is are running gtms turbo kit or some variation of it. So you have coolant and oil passing thru the turbos only to return to the radiator and oil pan. You strap on a oil cooler that takes car of that but that also blocks some airflow to the radiator and adds heat directly in front of the radiator. Also add the 3 inch thick intercooler right behind the bumper inlet and the heat that thing will generate under boost so it's easy to tell how overwhelmed and stressed the oem radiator is. Add a good radiator with a NA or boosted setup and your engine will love you. Your ac will be much colder, oil temps colder, I've even seen under hood temps go down. Trust me is down south know what it's like to be hot and humid 80 percent of the year. Chicago is nothing next to New Orleans or cities in Texas Florida ect ect.

07-07-2013, 11:09 AM	#35 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	They both need to get on the ball and get a upgraded fan and shroud plug and play setup!!!

07-07-2013, 01:49 PM	#39 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	Yea that sucker is eeexxxpppeeennnsssiiivvveee!!!!! Would've made me sick also.

07-09-2013, 01:16 AM	#41 (permalink)
jcast_0089 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Pearl Harbor, HI Posts: 23 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z GG M6 Rep Power: 12	hey guys, I just had my CSF Radiator and Z1 Oil cooler kit installed on my car and drove it home and parked it. When I got out and walked over to the passenger side after letting it sit for a few minutes, I noticed some water leaking from underneath my car. I think that it is the AC leaking. Is it normal for that to happen after the AC gets recharged?

07-09-2013, 06:52 AM	#42 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Are you sure it's not normal condensation from the ac? __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

07-10-2013, 02:58 PM	#44 (permalink)
ColdFire Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Qatar Age: 34 Posts: 106 Drives: 13 370Z 6MT, 15 GT-R Rep Power: 369	This discussion is prompt at the right time, summer is starting to boil and consider a radiator would be up on my list. question for the Turbo and SS guys, is there enough space to install big oil cooler, csf radiator and intercooler?

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