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FPenvy · 04-11-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

It's just a purist feel.

However, for me it gives my left leg something to do. I've had surgery on it and if it just sits there it goes completely numb, then feels like it's burning from the inside (stupid nerves).

A clutch pedal fixes that, giving it something to do and keep in motion somewhat.

i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance and function over "form" lol

Haboob · 04-11-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i could care less about the "purist" feel.

And that there is the difference between MT and AT drivers.

kenchan · 04-11-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance BECAUSE RACECAR!!!

fixed..

DEpointfive0 · 04-11-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance and function over "form" lol

Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose more HP through the drivetrain

FPenvy · 04-11-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose less HP through the drivetrain

shhhhhhhh! don't let these 6MT guys there's drawbacks lol

but i havent had any overheating issues so far.

XwChriswX · 04-11-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

It's just a purist feel.

However, for me it gives my left leg something to do. I've had surgery on it and if it just sits there it goes completely numb, then feels like it's burning from the inside (stupid nerves).

A clutch pedal fixes that, giving it something to do and keep in motion somewhat.

I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

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Originally Posted by Haboob

...And everyone is going AT. Us MT guys just want to be different.

Maybe it makes the car harder to steal (w/o a flatbed) too, as most kids/thieves don't know how to drive stick.

<--- not sure if it's true, but kind of funny.

Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

You also forget that most of the people who steal cars also drive late 80's early 90's hondas, which were primarily manual...

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance and function over "form" lol

To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power.

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose less HP through the drivetrain

1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?

DEpointfive0 · 04-11-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power.

1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?

I agree with the first 3 things.

As for #3, you don't NEED an upgraded clutch/flywheel to deal with the extra power and if our flex plates are breaking with being NA, we're SCREWED going FI, oh and you'll for SURE need an upgraded valve body
#4, a few people on the track have had the fluid overheat on a track, and they make AT coolers, so obviously that's an issue
#5/1, the flywheel isn't the only issue, or the only reason as to why AT weighs more, there is much more complexity to the AT

Again, I'm ALL for the 7AT on THIS car over the M6, I'm happy I got the auto, and I think it's more refined, but I DO understand why you'd want a M6

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-11-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

You also forget that most of the people who steal cars also drive late 80's early 90's hondas, which were primarily manual...

To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power.

1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?

Chris, you're making too much sense!!! Stop it. Haven't you heard, Ignorance is bliss... lol

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

7AT here......this is all you need to see lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQgKq0H55Q

The AT is fun, it's about liking to try to do things more than one way. There's an art to driving that's beyond droppin the clutch

Bucketlist2012 · 04-11-2013, 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=XwChriswX;2262342] I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

That is for sure...I have driven older automatic muscle cars...You cannot road race them...When you downshift, there is a hesitation and then rear wheels lock up..

I would never own an older automatic Muscle car unless it was ONLY for the Quarter Mile...

But I do have the Auto 370 mainly for the Wife, but I am loving it ...Would I love the Manual more ? Maybe, but the modern tecnology of the 7AT is light years better than the old school Automatics..

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Bucketlist2012 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,424 Drives: 370Z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 17	[QUOTE=XwChriswX;2262342] I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore. That is for sure...I have driven older automatic muscle cars...You cannot road race them...When you downshift, there is a hesitation and then rear wheels lock up.. I would never own an older automatic Muscle car unless it was ONLY for the Quarter Mile... But I do have the Auto 370 mainly for the Wife, but I am loving it ...Would I love the Manual more ? Maybe, but the modern tecnology of the 7AT is light years better than the old school Automatics.. __________________ 2009 Sport/Touring 370Z 1971 Z/28 with coil overs, rushforth's, willwoods, Hotchkis. 4 speed GMC Sierra1500 Last edited by Bucketlist2012; 04-11-2013 at 07:36 PM.