Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2262304)

It's just a purist feel.

However, for me it gives my left leg something to do. I've had surgery on it and if it just sits there it goes completely numb, then feels like it's burning from the inside (stupid nerves).

A clutch pedal fixes that, giving it something to do and keep in motion somewhat.

Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2262307)

...And everyone is going AT. Us MT guys just want to be different.




Maybe it makes the car harder to steal (w/o a flatbed) too, as most kids/thieves don't know how to drive stick. :icon17: <--- not sure if it's true, but kind of funny.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262316)

i could care less about the "purist" feel. it's all about performance and function over "form" lol

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2262331)

Well, I have a 7AT and I think it's amazing...
BUT here are the downfalls of AT,

It weighs more
It costs more to replace
It can't take as much HP
It overheats
No lightweight flywheel
EDIT: Oh, and they lose less HP through the drivetrain

Originally Posted by NickTurnon (Post 2262365)

I can't downshift into 1st when in manual mode because I don't want my ears to bleed and I wouldn't want to break anyones windshield behind me with the sonic boom!

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2262342)

I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.

Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power. :ugh2:

1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262340)

same ones they put in the GTR.....actually they are the exact ones lol

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262415)

my push-start button is the real GTR button. :tup:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2261986)

do you AT guys like sushi?

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262421)

:ugh2:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2262342)

I'd be hard pressed to have this being the determining factor... I've rode with manual Z's and now that my AT's been tuned, its a minute difference over a manual shift. The only difference is the lag between dropping power, and picking power back up. A human being simply can not shift as fast as the AT. So if anything, it's still quicker. I still feel just as connected to the car. I think this mindset works for 70's-80's even 90's era MT vs ATs, but with modern ATs, I don't think there is as much of a gap between them anymore.



Trust me, if someone wants to steal your car, your car won't be there in the morning. And if in the attempt they figure out they Can't steal it, they will 1. f*** up all the internals, and 2 trash the hell out of it just because.

You also forget that most of the people who steal cars also drive late 80's early 90's hondas, which were primarily manual... :ugh2:



To be honest Frank, I agree with you on most cases, but in this point... Gotta disagree. If you want performance and ease of function/fixing, Manual is better for power. :ugh2:



1. Given
2. Given
3. Gonna have to see what the AT's can handle after they've been effectively modded the same as manuals are with upgraded clutch/flywheels/etc. Though stock for stock, given.
4. Data to support this?
5. No clutch pedal either. So is the weight difference (flywheel only) really going to have a dramatic impact on a 3300lb car?

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262360)

7AT here......this is all you need to see lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQgKq0H55Q

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262438)

you can get one too. vendors here sell them. it's easy to replace. :tup:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262441)

yes i know. i've used the search function once or twice here ;)

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2262478)

then why the :ugh2:

you think your whitish stock one that glow orange :rofl2: is BETTER than the red candy? :yum: :ugh2:

Originally Posted by Naum16 (Post 2261956)

Whenever i am in sport mode should i let the car downshift by itself or am i better doing it myself never could decide. Another big thing about it is it bad to push it over in sport mode whiling driving could it dang the trans.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2262485)

I just don't wanna touch that until its real.