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I changed out my gear oil with redline and also did the diff. while i was at it. but recently im having troble shifting into 1st. i hear the winding

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Old 02-22-2013, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I changed out my gear oil with redline and also did the diff. while i was at it. but recently im having troble shifting into 1st. i hear the winding noise and have a little resistance when going into first (which is normal) but some times it WILL NOT go into first unless i hold in the clutch and put it in second and then back to first it will go into gear. this mostly happens at a complete stop or when downshifting. not really annoying me or anything , as ive had this same problem with other cars ive had, but i was just wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar. this problem didnt start until about 60k miles.
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The same thing happened to me. I had to go back to regular Nissan fluid for it to resolve. The problem was worse when cold. One it warmed up, it got better.
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I am assuming you don't have a racing transmission. Probably not a great idea to downshift into first that often. I never downshift to first unless I'm moving <5mph... Anything faster than that and you're likely to encounter difficultly getting the shift knob in gear, and doing it a lot could potentially damage something

Difficulty when completely stopped is different. Might want to have it looked at...
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im not one to "have it looked at" i fix my own **** so dont get ripped off lol but no my tranny is stock. next time i change the gear oil ill go back to oem and see if that helps. i dont downshift to first often but when barely moving ill try to shift into first and its having some troble. havent tried to FORCE it to go, becuase ill prolly jack something up haha
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im not one to "have it looked at" i fix my own **** so dont get ripped off lol but no my tranny is stock. next time i change the gear oil ill go back to oem and see if that helps. i dont downshift to first often but when barely moving ill try to shift into first and its having some troble. havent tried to FORCE it to go, becuase ill prolly jack something up haha
I like the way you think I'm certainly no expert, but I'll clarify my thoughts a bit:

If you're having the problem trying to shift into first while moving, then that's probably something you can avoid altogether by just not doing it. Second gear should be sufficient unless maybe going uphill very slow. If you're sitting at a stoplight and you can't put it in first gear, that sounds like your synchros, which is something I would address sooner rather than later. How many miles are on the car?
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If you're having the problem trying to shift into first while moving, then that's probably something you can avoid altogether by just not doing it.
The issue is that there wasn't a problem before the fluid change- now there is.
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The issue is that there wasn't a problem before the fluid change- now there is.
I had the same problem with royal purple. Went back to factory gear oil in the tranny and diff and also ester in the motor and the grinding went away.
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The issue is that there wasn't a problem before the fluid change- now there is.
dont know if thats exactly the issue or not, but either way ive had this problem in the past every so often even before i switched to redline. like i said its not something that is bothering me too much or going to ruin the tranny or anything i was just curious about this since its been more common lately. i was wondering if anyone else was having the same problem with higher milage, but some people want to pretty much say i dont know how to drive so whatever. im stationed in ms right now so it doesnt get too cold maybe like 35 at the lowest. so im not sure
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dont know if thats exactly the issue or not, but either way ive had this problem in the past every so often even before i switched to redline. like i said its not something that is bothering me too much or going to ruin the tranny or anything i was just curious about this since its been more common lately. i was wondering if anyone else was having the same problem with higher milage, but some people want to pretty much say i dont know how to drive so whatever. im stationed in ms right now so it doesnt get too cold maybe like 35 at the lowest. so im not sure
If you've been having it in the past, I sincerely doubt it's fluid related. Are these people claiming you don't know how to drive on the forum (in which case just ignore them) or riding with you in real life (they may have a point and you may be wearing your clutch out prematurely because of it). At 60K miles you shouldn't be looking to replace anything with your clutch unless it's maybe the OEM CSC.
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I like the way you think I'm certainly no expert, but I'll clarify my thoughts a bit:

If you're having the problem trying to shift into first while moving, then that's probably something you can avoid altogether by just not doing it. Second gear should be sufficient unless maybe going uphill very slow. If you're sitting at a stoplight and you can't put it in first gear, that sounds like your synchros, which is something I would address sooner rather than later. How many miles are on the car?
ive just rolled over 60k
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sounds like OP isnt moving when he does this.... if you arnt then yea the gear oil "might" be the culprit. i used the factory tranny fluid when i did mine with no issues.
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I changed out my gear oil with redline and also did the diff. while i was at it. but recently im having troble shifting into 1st. i hear the winding noise and have a little resistance when going into first (which is normal) but some times it WILL NOT go into first unless i hold in the clutch and put it in second and then back to first it will go into gear. this mostly happens at a complete stop or when downshifting. not really annoying me or anything , as ive had this same problem with other cars ive had, but i was just wondering if anyone has experienced anything similar. this problem didnt start until about 60k miles.
Nothing to do with your gear oil for the symptom you are describing. Have you checked your linkage for wear?
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Nothing to do with your gear oil for the symptom you are describing. Have you checked your linkage for wear?
Thank you I couldn't possibly understand how the gear oil could be the cause of these symptoms...
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Man, I never shift into first ever if I'm moving

I just don't like forcing it when there is that feeling of resistance
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There is a big difference between resistance to get into gear like when the oil is cold and not going into gear such as having to put it into second in order to get it into first. The latter is not an oil issue.
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