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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk I was only referring to on road performance except my last comment regarding warranties. I definitely understand where you are getting at. Being Military, we train

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Old 02-25-2013, 02:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was only referring to on road performance except my last comment regarding warranties. I definitely understand where you are getting at. Being Military, we train until it's muscle memory. SRM doesn't always like to engage 1st, but in every other gear, even a race car driver will fail more times than SRM. Every notable magazine has said this. When watching video's, almost every one I've seen has the driver using SRM. Yes it's still considered a novelty, but I see it as being the standard every manufacturer moves to now that it's been proven to enhance the experience for most. Be happy ours is defeatable The Cayman M6 is always on.
I wouldnt buy a car that controls everything, if it is going to be my "fun" car. That is one thing I like about ours. I can almost turn everything off. Hence why I would love to get a viper. And cars that are truely oriented and marketed at being a track car are using dual clutch set-ups now. I want a three pedal config with nothing else. I am not looking to make a lively hood of racing nor even get some trophy. I just plain ole enjoy driving a manual. Wont have it any other way. In heavy stop and go traffic or cruising down the hwy. I had my friend drive my other car home the other day, it has a 6 puck unsprung CC clutch with a 7.5lb fidanza flywheel. I shed like almost 35lbs just at the transmission housing. That thing is narly to drive, but once you get use to it, smooth as butter. He was like HOW THE **** DO YOU DRIVE THIS AROUND TOWN?
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I still stand behind the fact a machine will never be able to replicate a human response perfectly. Hence why exotic cars and even our own nissan skyline, the most important parts are all assembled by hand.
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I wouldnt buy a car that controls everything, if it is going to be my "fun" car.

IMO the 2 statements above contradict each other. u can't say u want the ultimate man/machine interaction, then use the GTR as an example.

i kinda feel like your argument went full circle in those 2 statements


I believe a machine can do a simple task, such as torquing a bolt to a certain spec, as precisely (if not more) than a man.sucks to say, but its true. and when an engine builder assembles something, does he not count on electronics (such as digital torque wrenches) to complete his task?
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IMO the 2 statements above contradict each other. u can't say u want the ultimate man/machine interaction, then use the GTR as an example.

i kinda feel like your argument went full circle in those 2 statements


I believe a machine can do a simple task, such as torquing a bolt to a certain spec, as precisely (if not more) than a man.sucks to say, but its true. and when an engine builder assembles something, does he not count on electronics (such as digital torque wrenches) to complete his task?
The motor is handbuilt. Not machine built. No code written to make human hand move. Reason being is how the stuff fits together and tolerances. If it doesnt feel right then it doesnt get paired to the motor. A machine cant feel that. Machines may have forged the parts, but we all know never is anything exactly the same, hence tolerances, whether human made or machine.

And I agree with your above statement, a machine can do a simple task and down shifting with no thought into the engagement speed of the clutch and how it grabs is what the SRM can do. When the SRM is hanging the revs, it wont stop till you engage, what happens when I dont want to fully engage the clutch, but only a partial to use the tranny to scrub off some initial speed then fully engage so as to not unsettle the car? SRM can not do that, it will hang it on you till you release the clutch. I may not want full engagement, but SRM is not going to let you do that.
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