HH-O Hydromoving Technology

Chuck33079

So what makes your system so different from the scams wstar mentioned above? Those were tested, and actually reduced gas mileage slightly. In fact, companies with similar systems in the US have been sued for being misleading scam artists taking advantage of people. I'd love for this to be legit, but you have to understand that you're not the first to try this, and none of the others have been on the level.

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SouthArk370Z

I Googled "Nissan Hydromoving" and could find nothing from Nissan announcing support for this project or any results. All I found was vaguely-worded expositions by yourself that really say nothing or "articles" (rehashed press releases) in such highly-esteemed publications as The Sun. Granted, I didn't look very deep, if I missed anything, please let me know.

I haven't bothered to research the patents - all evidence (and lack of) points to this being a scam and I have better things to do. If you have links to independent research (or even informed opinions) verifying your theories and/or test results, please provide them. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. The ramblings of "some guy on the Intertubes" is not particularly extraordinary.

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lorenz1955

Dear WSTAR,
if you go to click on HHO KITS for my site, you can read in English what I think of European and USA vendors of HHO Kit.
I was the first in Italy from 2005 that has always maintained that the HHO kit is a Scam.
The project that I built for Nissan is an implant .... and not a kit ... I know perfectly well the laws of physics, so the reference to Wikipedia I know him ...I'm not a mechanic, but an engineer graduated in 1975 in electrical engineering ... when colleges were for students who wanted to study with passion.
In relation to my Patent, the Patent Centre Munchen international
replied that:
3.2 This feature allows to carry out water electrolysis consuming less energy.
3.3 The problem to be solved by the present invention may be regarded as providing a system for carryng out an electrolysis having improved energetic efficiency.
3.4 The solution to this problem proposed in claim 8 Theirof the present application is considered as involving an inventive step for the following reasons :there is neither a disclosure nor a hint in the available prior art to add a control unit as describedin claim 11 to the system of document D2.
An Electrolytic cell having one cathode and more than one anode is known ( see document D3), but it is not suitable for producing oxy-hydrogen gas,since oxygen is not produced in this cell. The skilled person would therefore not be encouraged to combine the teaching of D3 with the cell disclosed by D2.
4.0 Claims 2-10 are dependent on one or more independent claims whose subject-matter is considered as being new and inventive, as discussed above, and as such said dependent claims also meet the requirements of novelty and inventive step.
This is all
Best Regards
Lorenz

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wheee!

I am just as skeptical as the next guy when exorbitant claims are made. But I am also willing to let someone else spend their time money and research into proving themselves right (or wrong!). In any case, I see this as an interesting approach to reduced emissions and better fuel economy. The fact that he is using a 370Z just makes it that much more interesting and, probably, better for PR!
This technology reminds me a lot of the Ballard fuel cell as well. Not efficient enough to meet daily use but massive research is being put into it and progress is being made...

Fuel Cell Technology | Fuel Cells | Clean Energy Solutions | Ballard Power Systems

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Chuck33079

Oh, I hope he's legit. If someone could make this technology work, it would be great. This guy has my BS meter pegged, though.

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SouthArk370Z

It may be able to improve emissions, but this HHO-gives-better-performance/economy horse has been proven to be dead already. You can't get more out of a system than you put in. It takes a certain amount of energy to break water apart - unless lorenz1955 has discovered some quantum effect that allows one to break water apart with less than normal energy AND managed to scale it up to real world levels, he's blowing smoke up our collective a$$.

Exactly. If you were Nissan and you were funding/supporting a project like this, would you keep quiet about it? Or would you issue press releases announcing your funding of the project and more releases as progress was made? If I am wrong and Nissan has made these announcements, please let me know.

Apples and oranges.

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wheee!

I believe this is what he is trying to do, why else would you spend all your time and money building a system that is known to be inefficient?

I can see Nissan not making a big noise about a system that obviously has it's share of detractors. If I were Nissan, I would support the research (why not, no real cost to them) and wait to exploit the results if proven viable. Either way they win by not having to do the research themselves and piggybacking on someone elses success if it works. If it fails, no harm done to them or their reputation.


I agree they are different technologies, just that they seem to generate the same amount of skeptics and disbelievers etc. I remember when they started the project, it was in no way viable. Now they are approaching a viable technology though ongoing research and development.


I am not surprised by all the negative comments, but even so, I am encouraged by the discussion it is creating!

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DIGItonium

Skepticism aside, I like that this project did not end up as vaporware. I remember seeing this thread and video a couple years ago, and I'm happy to see the project is still alive and kicking.

Offtopic, is 10% Ethanol killing our MPG? Seeing that gas prices aren't getting any lower and that we're emptying our tanks quicker with 10% Ethanol isn't saving us any money. Plus, corn/soy Ethanol is driving up everything, right?

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lorenz1955

Hi,
the journalistic service of The Sun, is relative to the first Nissan Z-Hydro Marangoni, equipped with a reduced system with four drycell.
The Nissan project, you won't be able to find anything on the Web ... is a secretive project .... an experiment to determine the feasibility of a Hydro system on a sports car as the Nissan 370 Z.
Best regards
lorenz

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DEpointfive0

So secretive you put it on the Internet?

DEpointfive0

Yeah, ethanol burn quicker, bumps your octane numbers a bit, but it also ruins the whole system by not burning clean... Contrary to popular belief (even Al Gore said they F'd up, lol)


Back on topic!
OP, I think you're trolling us and/or I think this is BS, I think to make this work you'd have to put hundreds of thousands of dollars into this system.
It's like the KERS debate that just went on a month ago... And I think that's the only way you could make H2 for "free" using heat won't give you enough energy, or you cannot control the energy in such a way that this is viable...
So I don't know what other generator style thing you're using to get the energy... Lastly, I bet all the weight you'll be putting to make this thing work will make your "gains" meaningless


Again, want to come to CA to make this work, I'll give you my car for a month to play with. Can do anything in a month? You pay for the uninstall price...
If it works, I'll pay for everything and I'll need 2 more systems

lorenz1955

Hi,
when you have time studies the "consistency of water Domain ".
thank you
lorenz

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SouthArk370Z

Results from Google:
No results found for "consistency of water Domain "
No results found for "consistency of water Domain".


Please provide a few links to get me started.

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Chuck33079

You'll never find any real info. This guy's full of ****. I'll give ten-to-one odds that, in addition to making magic engine parts, he can also get you in touch with a real Nigerian prince that needs a little help moving some funds around.

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SouthArk370Z

I have no hopes of getting any useful links or other info, but, who knows, maybe this guy has found the right catalyst or the magic frequency. Yeah, right.

And you have to love the secrecy thing. "Psst! Hey, buddy! It's a secret ... but check out this web page. Tell all your friends."

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