HH-O Hydromoving Technology

SouthArk370Z · 01-25-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lorenz1955

I'm sorry southark,
but I think you didn't read well ... the site. under Results there is a pdf file , open and read it.
I haven't written myself, I wrote a Pc, that controls the emissions and consumption of most cars from all over the world ... read well.
Ciao
Lorenz

Can't find it. All I see is a JPG with one set of results.
Nor can I find any details on the procedures used.
But that may be because I'm tired of these wild goose chases and didn't dig very deep.

What is "NEUDC"? I can't find anything other than some economic organization. Never mind. You'll just come up with more BS. I'm outta here. Unsubbed.

Chuck33079 · 01-25-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I'm outta here. Unsubbed.

I keep telling myself this, but I keep coming back. It's like a car wreck. You've just gotta look.

lorenz1955 · 01-25-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Can't find it. All I see is a JPG with one set of results.
Nor can I find any details on the procedures used.
But that may be because I'm tired of these wild goose chases and didn't dig very deep.

What is "NEUDC"? I can't find anything other than some economic organization. Never mind. You'll just come up with more BS. I'm outta here. Unsubbed.

NEUDC = NEW EUROPEAN DRIVE CYCLE.
It is the standard test cycle for type approval of European road cars.
Ciao
Lorenz

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 05:42 AM

Dear friends,
we have opened this thread, to share with you, fans of the Nissan 370 Z, the experiences of an Italian gentleman, commissioned by Nissan to create a project, to determine the actual feasibility of a hybrid system,
try to reduce consumption and emissions on a sports car from 330 HP and 3700 cc.
The project works, and I decided to share with you the results.
Question received, some are out of logic or ridicule...
Not question about system,... If the system works, how it works, what are the advantages, such as defects.
Many questions ... but few on the Hydromoving system.
Other questions were, offensive, ironic just to make fun of "the stranger".
Now, my question:
You want to continue to insult each other, or want to share strengths and weaknesses of the system with me. ..??
I look forward to the technical questions, and I'll try to respond clearly and concisely, to avoid repetitions.
If we agree we continue ... otherwise thanks for the welcome and goodbye.
Lorenz

DEpointfive0 · 01-26-2013, 06:04 AM

Buy a Prius

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Buy a Prius

The official UK fuel efficiency data for the Prius T3 is Urban 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US), Extra Urban 76.4 mpg-imp (3.70 L/100 km; 63.6 mpg-US), Combined 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US).[53]

The 1.8-liter gasoline engine (previously 1.5 liters) generates 98 hp (73 kW), and with the added power of the electric motor generates a total of 134 hp (100 kW) (previously 110 hp/82 kW).

For you : 100 Kw > 3,7 L/100 Km- For example Prius 243 Kw > 8,991 L/100 Km

For me : 243 Kw > 6,0 L/100Km- For example 370 Z 100 Kw > 2,469 L/100 Km

Do you think there is no comparison ...?
I choose Nissan 370Z with Hidro-System :

Nissan 370 Z 3700 cc 330Hp 258 Km/Hr

Ibrid ( 70% Gasoline + 30% HH-O )

Urban Conditions 10,3 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 243,8 g/Km

Extraurban Conditions 6,0 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 141,9 g/Km

Combined 7,6 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 179,5 g/Km

CO = 0,013 g/Km

HC = 0,007 g/Km
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lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 07:36 AM

Excuse me to the unbelievers I had forgotten attachement Djno Power diagram,
only Gasoline and Gasoline + HH-O.
Good read
Lorenz

ZOperaMan · 01-26-2013, 10:09 AM

So how do you know the dyno differences aren't due to the difference in ambient temperature (20-29C, or 68-85F) during the test?

The higher numbers were achieved at much lower temperatures.

wheee! · 01-26-2013, 01:28 PM

Well, I am encouraged and optimistic for these results Lorenz. It seems like you have found an historically marginal method of hybrid system and made significant gains in performance and effectiveness. I'm sure this technology still has a ways to go before it becomes cost effective to the average user, but interesting work none the less.

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOperaMan

So how do you know the dyno differences aren't due to the difference in ambient temperature (20-29C, or 68-85F) during the test?

The higher numbers were achieved at much lower temperatures.

In fact the power gets worse and does not improve at low temperature
This is the truest test that proves the efficacy of Hydromoving System :

At low temperatures, and then cold air will have an increase in the density of air, then a mixture more lean (low fuel) because there are more air molecules the quantity is greater than the amount of gasoline, and therefore we will have a variation of the stoichiometric ratio, which will be offset by the Oxyhydrogen gas injected.
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Ciao
Lorenz

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheee!

Well, I am encouraged and optimistic for these results Lorenz. It seems like you have found an historically marginal method of hybrid system and made significant gains in performance and effectiveness. I'm sure this technology still has a ways to go before it becomes cost effective to the average user, but interesting work none the less.

Thanks Wheee,
many Professors of Italian Universities and Polytechnics were complimented for the result achieved, even in relation to energy balance, that finally, strange but true, on a car became positive.
I'm glad so...
Many Thanks
lorenz

fuct · 01-26-2013, 03:09 PM

what did Nissan take away from this testing? is this something they might use?

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct

what did Nissan take away from this testing? is this something they might use?

The project was to study the feasibility of a system to reduce consumption and emissions based on the use of HH-O, to discover the limits of use on a car.
From my own personal impression of how controlled tests, I think that , they want to mount it on a limited number of cars for a test of durability.
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lorenz

frost · 01-26-2013, 10:58 PM

Differing opinions are fantastic, they keep people thinking. This thread however is on the verge of getting nasty. Keep the disagreements civil and mature.

DEpointfive0 · 01-27-2013, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by frost

Differing opinions are fantastic, they keep thinking. This thread however is on the verge of getting nasty. Keep the disagreements civil and mature.

Dammit, I wanted you to lock it!!!

What if I yell at you? THEN will you lock it? LOL

01-26-2013, 05:42 AM	#49 (permalink)
lorenz1955 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Italy Posts: 33 Drives: 370Z Hydromoving S. Rep Power: 12	Dear friends, we have opened this thread, to share with you, fans of the Nissan 370 Z, the experiences of an Italian gentleman, commissioned by Nissan to create a project, to determine the actual feasibility of a hybrid system, try to reduce consumption and emissions on a sports car from 330 HP and 3700 cc. The project works, and I decided to share with you the results. Question received, some are out of logic or ridicule... Not question about system,... If the system works, how it works, what are the advantages, such as defects. Many questions ... but few on the Hydromoving system. Other questions were, offensive, ironic just to make fun of "the stranger". Now, my question: You want to continue to insult each other, or want to share strengths and weaknesses of the system with me. ..?? I look forward to the technical questions, and I'll try to respond clearly and concisely, to avoid repetitions. If we agree we continue ... otherwise thanks for the welcome and goodbye. Lorenz __________________ info@hydromoving.com

01-26-2013, 10:09 AM	#53 (permalink)
ZOperaMan Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 82 Drives: 09 TT370z Yellow 6MT Rep Power: 16	So how do you know the dyno differences aren't due to the difference in ambient temperature (20-29C, or 68-85F) during the test? The higher numbers were achieved at much lower temperatures. DEpointfive0 likes this.

01-26-2013, 01:28 PM	#54 (permalink)
wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 58 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	Well, I am encouraged and optimistic for these results Lorenz. It seems like you have found an historically marginal method of hybrid system and made significant gains in performance and effectiveness. I'm sure this technology still has a ways to go before it becomes cost effective to the average user, but interesting work none the less. __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

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