HH-O Hydromoving Technology

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZOperaMan

So how do you know the dyno differences aren't due to the difference in ambient temperature (20-29C, or 68-85F) during the test?

The higher numbers were achieved at much lower temperatures.

In fact the power gets worse and does not improve at low temperature
This is the truest test that proves the efficacy of Hydromoving System :

At low temperatures, and then cold air will have an increase in the density of air, then a mixture more lean (low fuel) because there are more air molecules the quantity is greater than the amount of gasoline, and therefore we will have a variation of the stoichiometric ratio, which will be offset by the Oxyhydrogen gas injected.
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Lorenz

wheee! · 01-26-2013, 12:28 PM

Well, I am encouraged and optimistic for these results Lorenz. It seems like you have found an historically marginal method of hybrid system and made significant gains in performance and effectiveness. I'm sure this technology still has a ways to go before it becomes cost effective to the average user, but interesting work none the less.

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee!

Well, I am encouraged and optimistic for these results Lorenz. It seems like you have found an historically marginal method of hybrid system and made significant gains in performance and effectiveness. I'm sure this technology still has a ways to go before it becomes cost effective to the average user, but interesting work none the less.

Thanks Wheee,
many Professors of Italian Universities and Polytechnics were complimented for the result achieved, even in relation to energy balance, that finally, strange but true, on a car became positive.
I'm glad so...
Many Thanks
lorenz

fuct · 01-26-2013, 02:09 PM

what did Nissan take away from this testing? is this something they might use?

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct

what did Nissan take away from this testing? is this something they might use?

The project was to study the feasibility of a system to reduce consumption and emissions based on the use of HH-O, to discover the limits of use on a car.
From my own personal impression of how controlled tests, I think that , they want to mount it on a limited number of cars for a test of durability.
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lorenz

frost · 01-26-2013, 09:58 PM

Differing opinions are fantastic, they keep people thinking. This thread however is on the verge of getting nasty. Keep the disagreements civil and mature.

DEpointfive0 · 01-26-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

Differing opinions are fantastic, they keep thinking. This thread however is on the verge of getting nasty. Keep the disagreements civil and mature.

Dammit, I wanted you to lock it!!!

What if I yell at you? THEN will you lock it? LOL

lorenz1955 · 01-28-2013, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Dammit, I wanted you to lock it!!!

What if I yell at you? THEN will you lock it? LOL

Thanks for the very good welcome,
if it is a topic not interesting for you, you can also not read.
However if my posts you create problems, I will finish here my participation in the forum.
Excuse me prof for the trouble.
Many Thanks

wheee! · 01-28-2013, 07:21 AM

How many km's do you get out of the 6 litre water tank in the car? Is that just an experimental size tank or do you only need 6 litres per tank of gas?

lorenz1955 · 01-28-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee!

How many km's do you get out of the 6 litre water tank in the car? Is that just an experimental size tank or do you only need 6 litres per tank of gas?

The tank was built only for testing, the car need 100 ml of gas for 100 Km,
with 6 litre distilled water in Tank .
Autonomy with 6 liters is 6000 Km, highway a 140 Km/hour speed with cruise control.
Of course at idle is lower , than highest speed is higher.
The average consumption are 100 ml of gas for 100 km .
Gas production is controlled by a control unit that produces gas according to the opening time of the injectors.
the best results are at constant speed
Thanks
lorenz

wheee! · 01-28-2013, 08:59 AM

Do you use the stock alternator for power generation or do you have larger batteries to create the energy for hyrdrogen separation?

lorenz1955 · 01-28-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee!

Do you use the stock alternator for power generation or do you have larger batteries to create the energy for hyrdrogen separation?

Dear Wheee,
I use an additional 13 .8V alternator 80 Amps, and a special lithium-lead battery by 55 Ah as power supply.
Thanks
lorenz

wstar · 01-28-2013, 09:03 AM

(And I see that you've already given some of the info above, e.g. water tank size. You mentioned in that post that other changes were made to the tuning, the idle speed, etc. The comparable test of a 370Z would have to be with similar efficiency tuning but without your system to be valid, IMHO).

lorenz1955 · 01-28-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

(And I see that you've already given some of the info above, e.g. water tank size. You mentioned in that post that other changes were made to the tuning, the idle speed, etc. The comparable test of a 370Z would have to be with similar efficiency tuning but without your system to be valid, IMHO).

the original Z34 data sheet in the next post.
Can you compare it.
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wheee! · 01-28-2013, 09:09 AM

It seems that the lower rate of injection (100ml per 100kms) is part of the key to this technology. A lower consumption rate allows for a lower separation rate, hence the minimal 18A draw on the system in operation.
I would like to know what rate of consumption previous attempts were using to try and achieve similar efficiencies. I also think that the higher efficiency of the new VQ engines make this a more feasible proposition too. There is a lot to consider....

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	(And I see that you've already given some of the info above, e.g. water tank size. You mentioned in that post that other changes were made to the tuning, the idle speed, etc. The comparable test of a 370Z would have to be with similar efficiency tuning but without your system to be valid, IMHO). __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 58 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	It seems that the lower rate of injection (100ml per 100kms) is part of the key to this technology. A lower consumption rate allows for a lower separation rate, hence the minimal 18A draw on the system in operation. I would like to know what rate of consumption previous attempts were using to try and achieve similar efficiencies. I also think that the higher efficiency of the new VQ engines make this a more feasible proposition too. There is a lot to consider.... __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

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