HH-O Hydromoving Technology

SouthArk370Z · 01-25-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Please, prove me wrong. I will happily make a public apology if you get cars running around showing real-world results at the end-user level. I want to be wrong. If what you're doing actually works, it is a HUGE breakthrough. At this point though, you have no more credibility than any of the other people that have brought something like this to market and they have been thoroughly debunked by now.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

lorenz1955: I will also eat crow if you will just show us independent (and reliable) replication/verification of your results. At this point, I might even settle for a reasonable hypothesis of how you can get more energy out of the system than you put in. So far, you have provided neither.
Put up or shut up.

lorenz1955 · 01-25-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Took the words right out of my mouth.

lorenz1955: I will also eat crow if you will just show us independent (and reliable) replication/verification of your results. At this point, I might even settle for a reasonable hypothesis of how you can get more energy out of the system than you put in. So far, you have provided neither.
Put up or shut up.

I'm sorry southark,
but I think you didn't read well ... the site. under Results there is a pdf file , open and read it.
I haven't written myself, I wrote a Pc, that controls the emissions and consumption of most cars from all over the world ... read well.
Ciao
Lorenz

SouthArk370Z · 01-25-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorenz1955

I'm sorry southark,
but I think you didn't read well ... the site. under Results there is a pdf file , open and read it.
I haven't written myself, I wrote a Pc, that controls the emissions and consumption of most cars from all over the world ... read well.
Ciao
Lorenz

Can't find it. All I see is a JPG with one set of results.
Nor can I find any details on the procedures used.
But that may be because I'm tired of these wild goose chases and didn't dig very deep.

What is "NEUDC"? I can't find anything other than some economic organization. Never mind. You'll just come up with more BS. I'm outta here. Unsubbed.

Chuck33079 · 01-25-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I'm outta here. Unsubbed.

I keep telling myself this, but I keep coming back. It's like a car wreck. You've just gotta look.

lorenz1955 · 01-25-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

Can't find it. All I see is a JPG with one set of results.
Nor can I find any details on the procedures used.
But that may be because I'm tired of these wild goose chases and didn't dig very deep.

What is "NEUDC"? I can't find anything other than some economic organization. Never mind. You'll just come up with more BS. I'm outta here. Unsubbed.

NEUDC = NEW EUROPEAN DRIVE CYCLE.
It is the standard test cycle for type approval of European road cars.
Ciao
Lorenz

lorenz1955 · 01-25-2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Please, prove me wrong. I will happily make a public apology if you get cars running around showing real-world results at the end-user level. I want to be wrong. If what you're doing actually works, it is a HUGE breakthrough. At this point though, you have no more credibility than any of the other people that have brought something like this to market and they have been thoroughly debunked by now.

Dear Chuck,
American sellers of HHO Kits, were unmasked by years.
Please learn more :
Fuel saving device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and more :
Fuel saving - a professional engineer's view
Ciao
lorenz

Chuck33079 · 01-25-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lorenz1955

Dear Chuck,
American sellers of HHO Kits, were unmasked by years.
Please learn more :
Fuel saving device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and more :
Fuel saving - a professional engineer's view
Ciao
lorenz

Ok, now I'm confused. The first link is taking me to the wikipedia page that says you're shoveling ****, and the second is a dead webpage? How were those being used to support your position that this **** works?

wstar · 01-25-2013, 04:05 PM

For that matter the whole scientific community, I'm sure, would be pleased to see you publish your groundbreaking new laws of physics in a peer-reviewed journal

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 04:42 AM

Dear friends,
we have opened this thread, to share with you, fans of the Nissan 370 Z, the experiences of an Italian gentleman, commissioned by Nissan to create a project, to determine the actual feasibility of a hybrid system,
try to reduce consumption and emissions on a sports car from 330 HP and 3700 cc.
The project works, and I decided to share with you the results.
Question received, some are out of logic or ridicule...
Not question about system,... If the system works, how it works, what are the advantages, such as defects.
Many questions ... but few on the Hydromoving system.
Other questions were, offensive, ironic just to make fun of "the stranger".
Now, my question:
You want to continue to insult each other, or want to share strengths and weaknesses of the system with me. ..??
I look forward to the technical questions, and I'll try to respond clearly and concisely, to avoid repetitions.
If we agree we continue ... otherwise thanks for the welcome and goodbye.
Lorenz

DEpointfive0 · 01-26-2013, 05:04 AM

Buy a Prius

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Buy a Prius

The official UK fuel efficiency data for the Prius T3 is Urban 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US), Extra Urban 76.4 mpg-imp (3.70 L/100 km; 63.6 mpg-US), Combined 72.4 mpg-imp (3.90 L/100 km; 60.3 mpg-US).[53]

The 1.8-liter gasoline engine (previously 1.5 liters) generates 98 hp (73 kW), and with the added power of the electric motor generates a total of 134 hp (100 kW) (previously 110 hp/82 kW).

For you : 100 Kw > 3,7 L/100 Km- For example Prius 243 Kw > 8,991 L/100 Km

For me : 243 Kw > 6,0 L/100Km- For example 370 Z 100 Kw > 2,469 L/100 Km

Do you think there is no comparison ...?
I choose Nissan 370Z with Hidro-System :

Nissan 370 Z 3700 cc 330Hp 258 Km/Hr

Ibrid ( 70% Gasoline + 30% HH-O )

Urban Conditions 10,3 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 243,8 g/Km

Extraurban Conditions 6,0 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 141,9 g/Km

Combined 7,6 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 179,5 g/Km

CO = 0,013 g/Km

HC = 0,007 g/Km
By

wstar · 01-28-2013, 09:02 AM

Ok, I'll bite again...

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorenz1955

I choose Nissan 370Z with Hidro-System :

Nissan 370 Z 3700 cc 330Hp 258 Km/Hr

Ibrid ( 70% Gasoline + 30% HH-O )

30% HHO in what units (by volume? by weight?). I have a hard time imagining any on-board water splitter doing it fast enough to supply 30% of the car's fuel needs by either measure. What is the rate at which your system splits water on-board?

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Urban Conditions 10,3 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 243,8 g/Km

Extraurban Conditions 6,0 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 141,9 g/Km

Combined 7,6 Lt/100 Km CO2 = 179,5 g/Km

CO = 0,013 g/Km

HC = 0,007 g/Km

So these are the numbers for testing your modified Z, and are inclusive of changes to e.g. the weight of the vehicle? Does it include the weight of any on-board water storage? (and how long does that water last in kms or hours? Or are you picking up water vapor along the way to replenish? If so what are the limits on that at various relative humidities?) Do you have comparable numbers from the same test conditions for a stock 370Z?

I know you've mentioned dry-cell batteries in the past, which I assume are recharged by the alternator and use to provide current for splitting water. Is the test long enough that the existing charge in your battery array was not a factor (i.e. that you could pre-charge them to make everything work better and then drain them down during the test, or was it a complete cycle with the batteries maintaining the same average charge)?

There are a lot of questions you don't really answer. That's only scratching the surface. But the bottom line is that physics says you can't win this game on fuel efficiency, generally speaking. Maybe by combining the offset of several existing inefficiencies in the ICE design, you could pick up 5% or something, but then that would probably be offset by the additional vehicle weight and/or mfg cost and/or maintenance needs, etc. You've got an uphill battle against a brutal enemy, and his name is Science.

lorenz1955 · 01-28-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Ok, I'll bite again...

30% HHO in what units (by volume? by weight?). I have a hard time imagining any on-board water splitter doing it fast enough to supply 30% of the car's fuel needs by either measure. What is the rate at which your system splits water on-board?

The gas injection system Hydromoving, it picks up the signal from the ECU car, and with two microp, compare the car injector opening time, with quantity of gas available per ms,and establishes the opening time reduction car injector,at the same time regulates the opening time for gas injector.
Please excuse my english,bat the google translator is bull....and for me much more difficult.
Quite simply works this way.

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So these are the numbers for testing your modified Z, and are inclusive of changes to e.g. the weight of the vehicle? Does it include the weight of any on-board water storage? (and how long does that water last in kms or hours? Or are you picking up water vapor along the way to replenish? If so what are the limits on that at various relative humidities?) Do you have comparable numbers from the same test conditions for a stock 370Z?

If I can I attach an original car data file.
Ok. Filename-Z34 datasheet :
point 46,1 and 46,2.

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There are a lot of questions you don't really answer. That's only scratching the surface. But the bottom line is that physics says you can't win this game on fuel efficiency, generally speaking. Maybe by combining the offset of several existing inefficiencies in the ICE design, you could pick up 5% or something, but then that would probably be offset by the additional vehicle weight and/or mfg cost and/or maintenance needs, etc. You've got an uphill battle against a brutal enemy, and his name is Science.

Probably you forgot I studied Physics at the University...you aren't alone.
But is not a problem :
The result :That you like it or not, are carried out by an Italian State Agency, like "The US EPA " and certified, If you do not agree is not my problem.Who should decide is Nissan and then ...
By
lorenz

lorenz1955 · 01-26-2013, 06:36 AM

Excuse me to the unbelievers I had forgotten attachement Djno Power diagram,
only Gasoline and Gasoline + HH-O.
Good read
Lorenz

ZOperaMan · 01-26-2013, 09:09 AM

So how do you know the dyno differences aren't due to the difference in ambient temperature (20-29C, or 68-85F) during the test?

The higher numbers were achieved at much lower temperatures.

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lorenz1955 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Italy Posts: 33 Drives: 370Z Hydromoving S. Rep Power: 13	Dear friends, we have opened this thread, to share with you, fans of the Nissan 370 Z, the experiences of an Italian gentleman, commissioned by Nissan to create a project, to determine the actual feasibility of a hybrid system, try to reduce consumption and emissions on a sports car from 330 HP and 3700 cc. The project works, and I decided to share with you the results. Question received, some are out of logic or ridicule... Not question about system,... If the system works, how it works, what are the advantages, such as defects. Many questions ... but few on the Hydromoving system. Other questions were, offensive, ironic just to make fun of "the stranger". Now, my question: You want to continue to insult each other, or want to share strengths and weaknesses of the system with me. ..?? I look forward to the technical questions, and I'll try to respond clearly and concisely, to avoid repetitions. If we agree we continue ... otherwise thanks for the welcome and goodbye. Lorenz __________________ info@hydromoving.com

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ZOperaMan Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 82 Drives: 09 TT370z Yellow 6MT Rep Power: 16	So how do you know the dyno differences aren't due to the difference in ambient temperature (20-29C, or 68-85F) during the test? The higher numbers were achieved at much lower temperatures. DEpointfive0 likes this.

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