NA 370z on e85

dirTy_shoeZ · 07-28-2012, 08:50 PM

well i figured you guys would like to see, JMS racing out of san antonio put the Z on e85 with just stillen gen 3 intakes, amuse y-pipe, amuse r1 titan, and uprev with e85 (stock cats and stock headers)

we were having issues with the rpm reading to get an accurate tq curve but before the spike it would be around 264 ft lb's and made 323 whp.

next weekend we should be putting on the long tubes and we will go back and see what happens none the less the car feels geat but I am unaware of what other people see with these mods on 93 octane. please fill free to chime in.

DYNO VIDEO: click stupid picture lol

SS_Firehawk · 07-29-2012, 11:47 AM

On a dynojet I would generally put that setup at around 300 whp, Pushing 323 is impressive with a fuel change. Surprising as I just did a tune and had to take out 3 degrees of timing with 91. Are you running stock injectors?

dirTy_shoeZ · 07-29-2012, 01:40 PM

Thank you, I changed the fuel over to id1000's and changed the fuel pump to a 255, I had a 400 but it was to large for the tank for a simple drop in and would've needed an external regulater going that size.

When we tuned mine in the past it was on 93 and when Jorge tuned it he said it generally didn't like timing and would make more power when backing the timing back out after advancing it. But with the ethanol since it burns so much cooler was able to take more timing without breaking a sweat.

Kingbaby · 07-29-2012, 01:48 PM

Any details on the process!

Megan370z · 07-29-2012, 01:51 PM

thats making me think about doing the switch !!

I cant wait to see the result with the long tube header !! (which one ? )

the 308whp STD on a dynojet is pretty much where it should with your current mods
a gain of 14-15 whp is quite nice to see !

Boost_lee · 07-29-2012, 04:07 PM

Good stuff Mike. I'm surprised to see the gains on E85, badass.

Just as reference, I only put down 300/256 on 93, same dyno. Jorge had the same issue and pulled back the timing a bit to make power.

red6spd · 07-29-2012, 04:49 PM

In for updates with mods. Would deff do the change if it makes some decent power. Thant and E85 is a good dollar cheaper then Premium over here.

fhebert8 · 07-29-2012, 05:04 PM

Great to see you guys are using E85

That is one of the reasons I just Joined this site , and to see if should try to teach those Mustangs a lesson , or just leave them alone , there are
several in my area ,,

I just purchased a 370Z Roadster , Manual 6 speed , I am 53 years old

I really think Ethanol cannot hurt my car , Just wondering if I can run it
without advancing the timing ? or doing anything ,,

Should I try one of those Chips ? thinking about installing those Stillen high
flow converters ,, just something simple that will not void the warantee yet
only 200 miles on the Black Roadster

So Just saying Hi ,, lots more to tell you about the Ethanol ,, just not sure
who is here yet ,,

Thanks
Fred

fhebert8 · 07-29-2012, 05:05 PM

thanks

Jordo! · 07-29-2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

On a dynojet I would generally put that setup at around 300 whp, Pushing 323 is impressive with a fuel change. Surprising as I just did a tune and had to take out 3 degrees of timing with 91. Are you running stock injectors?

Yeah, that's a nice gain. What was it SAE and what was the actual CF used for STD?

Can we run E85 with stock fuel pump and injectors?

Damn... now I want to retune for E85... although not even sure where to get it in FL...

SS_Firehawk · 07-29-2012, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhebert8

Great to see you guys are using E85

That is one of the reasons I just Joined this site , and to see if should try to teach those Mustangs a lesson , or just leave them alone , there are
several in my area ,,

I just purchased a 370Z Roadster , Manual 6 speed , I am 53 years old

I really think Ethanol cannot hurt my car , Just wondering if I can run it
without advancing the timing ? or doing anything ,,

Should I try one of those Chips ? thinking about installing those Stillen high
flow converters ,, just something simple that will not void the warantee yet
only 200 miles on the Black Roadster

So Just saying Hi ,, lots more to tell you about the Ethanol ,, just not sure
who is here yet ,,

Thanks
Fred

Anything newer than a 2010 will need the full standard set of bolt ons. Those include full exhaust, headers / testpipes / HFC's, intakes, pulley (if you condone it), flywheel (might as well upgrade your clutch at that point), and a tune. Gears are an option as well. That would put you on par performance wise and should be running away from them, but the lightest mods on them will tip in their favor.

Back on topic, how much did the objectors and fuel pump run you?

dirTy_shoeZ · 07-29-2012, 09:31 PM

The injectors will run anyone around 450-750 depending on what u want, I ran ID1000's and the pump is a standard 100 dollar walbro 225. It was nothing more than installing that and putting news new o-ring and hose, then of course u need a tune.

I'd say no to running ethanol on stock pump and injectors. I dont know about the pump itself but definitely not injectors

ScGRaceR · 07-29-2012, 10:56 PM

in for updates... e85 is local to me now

seymore4 · 07-29-2012, 11:23 PM

saw that on facebook, looks good..

Jordo! · 07-29-2012, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirTy_shoeZ

The injectors will run anyone around 450-750 depending on what u want, I ran ID1000's and the pump is a standard 100 dollar walbro 225. It was nothing more than installing that and putting news new o-ring and hose, then of course u need a tune.

I'd say no to running ethanol on stock pump and injectors. I dont know about the pump itself but definitely not injectors

Okay, that makes sense. I thought E85 was corrosive. I missed where you said that you had picked up new injectors and pump.

That's a very tempting modification.

07-28-2012, 08:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
dirTy_shoeZ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 778 Drives: 40th ANN TT Rep Power: 16	NA 370z on e85 well i figured you guys would like to see, JMS racing out of san antonio put the Z on e85 with just stillen gen 3 intakes, amuse y-pipe, amuse r1 titan, and uprev with e85 (stock cats and stock headers) we were having issues with the rpm reading to get an accurate tq curve but before the spike it would be around 264 ft lb's and made 323 whp. next weekend we should be putting on the long tubes and we will go back and see what happens none the less the car feels geat but I am unaware of what other people see with these mods on 93 octane. please fill free to chime in. DYNO VIDEO: click stupid picture lol Last edited by dirTy_shoeZ; 07-28-2012 at 08:52 PM.

07-29-2012, 11:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	On a dynojet I would generally put that setup at around 300 whp, Pushing 323 is impressive with a fuel change. Surprising as I just did a tune and had to take out 3 degrees of timing with 91. Are you running stock injectors? __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

07-29-2012, 01:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
dirTy_shoeZ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 778 Drives: 40th ANN TT Rep Power: 16	Thank you, I changed the fuel over to id1000's and changed the fuel pump to a 255, I had a 400 but it was to large for the tank for a simple drop in and would've needed an external regulater going that size. When we tuned mine in the past it was on 93 and when Jorge tuned it he said it generally didn't like timing and would make more power when backing the timing back out after advancing it. But with the ethanol since it burns so much cooler was able to take more timing without breaking a sweat. Last edited by dirTy_shoeZ; 07-29-2012 at 01:45 PM.

07-29-2012, 01:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Megan370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,156 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 24	thats making me think about doing the switch !! I cant wait to see the result with the long tube header !! (which one ? ) the 308whp STD on a dynojet is pretty much where it should with your current mods a gain of 14-15 whp is quite nice to see ! __________________ Megan Journal Click Me ....................One Man Team Motorsport Click Me

07-29-2012, 04:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Boost_lee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 2,813 Drives: 09 370Z TT 6MT Rep Power: 29	Good stuff Mike. I'm surprised to see the gains on E85, badass. Just as reference, I only put down 300/256 on 93, same dyno. Jorge had the same issue and pulled back the timing a bit to make power. __________________ My TT Z

07-29-2012, 04:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	In for updates with mods. Would deff do the change if it makes some decent power. Thant and E85 is a good dollar cheaper then Premium over here. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

07-29-2012, 05:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
fhebert8 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: louisiana Posts: 2 Drives: 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 13	New to the Site Great to see you guys are using E85 That is one of the reasons I just Joined this site , and to see if should try to teach those Mustangs a lesson , or just leave them alone , there are several in my area ,, I just purchased a 370Z Roadster , Manual 6 speed , I am 53 years old I really think Ethanol cannot hurt my car , Just wondering if I can run it without advancing the timing ? or doing anything ,, Should I try one of those Chips ? thinking about installing those Stillen high flow converters ,, just something simple that will not void the warantee yet only 200 miles on the Black Roadster So Just saying Hi ,, lots more to tell you about the Ethanol ,, just not sure who is here yet ,, Thanks Fred

07-29-2012, 05:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
fhebert8 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: louisiana Posts: 2 Drives: 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 13	ok that was 2000 miles thanks

07-29-2012, 09:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
dirTy_shoeZ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 778 Drives: 40th ANN TT Rep Power: 16	The injectors will run anyone around 450-750 depending on what u want, I ran ID1000's and the pump is a standard 100 dollar walbro 225. It was nothing more than installing that and putting news new o-ring and hose, then of course u need a tune. I'd say no to running ethanol on stock pump and injectors. I dont know about the pump itself but definitely not injectors

07-29-2012, 10:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
ScGRaceR Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: 33908 Posts: 382 Drives: 2010 Nismo,2008 R32 Rep Power: 15	in for updates... e85 is local to me now __________________ 2010 PW Nismo: GT-R Start / Stop \| Kenwood Navi / DVD \| Escort X50 \| F.I 18' CF \| F.I Resonated Test Pipes \| PasswordJDM \| Post MAF Tubes \| K&N Drop In's 297 RWHP 9/25/11 WTB SPARE RIM TIRE. PM ME

07-29-2012, 11:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
seymore4 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West coast Age: 41 Posts: 556 Drives: 2010 nismo Rep Power: 6727	saw that on facebook, looks good..